XR6T into GQ conversion

[twase]

Started ordering bits for the conversion today commencing with the most strategic part, the bellhousing and thats on order with Dellow.
Spoke to the engineer who will be certifying it and he seems happy with my plans.

[Silver]

Now that sounds like a project - will the electronic side of things be the most complex aspect, or is that dealt with by a wiring harness or some such?

[twase]

Electronics should not be too bad if I stay with the BA ECU. I need to get it flashed to remove the PAT security and also change the VSS signal input from ABS to non ABS type (gearbox sensor).

[nissannewby]

Dont you have to do something with the throttle pedal setup as its fly by wire or is that on the later models. I know on another forum im on a bloke has done this and I think the wiring was prob the hardest he had to do, he also had issues with not having enough room for the turbo although that could be solved with the use of a highmount.

[Silver]

all else being equal, will you get better fuel economy Twase? Than the TB42E I meant.

[timbar]

Sweet will be keeping an eye on this thread and buildup

[twase]

Dont you have to do something with the throttle pedal setup as its fly by wire or is that on the later models. I know on another forum im on a bloke has done this and I think the wiring was prob the hardest he had to do, he also had issues with not having enough room for the turbo although that could be solved with the use of a highmount.
Yes Fly by Wire throttle will be required. Correct there will be some clearance issues between the turbo and the steering coupler that will need some work to get both some clearance and heat isolation.

[twase]

all else being equal, will you get better fuel economy Twase? Than the TB42E I meant.That is the plan, mine is a carb version so with the BA I will be able to go Sequential Vapour LPG.

[Silver]

thanks Twase.

[Winnie]

This sounds like an awesome project!!

[MQ MAD]

all else being equal, will you get better fuel economy Twase? Than the TB42E I meant.


Should see economy around the diesel economy area
But when that load pedal gets pushed i reckon the rears will smoke
Blokes are pulling mid 11 secs 1/4 mile times will mildy modded BA XR6 turbo falcons

Be watching this thread

[twase]

Going Turbo for the extra torque I need to tow the van. Not going to mod it for more, if anything I might even reduce the boost.

[Biscuits]

I might even reduce the boost.

Wash your mouth out with soap!!!

I have been playing with The XR6T since they came out, Have owned a BA & FG XR6T, both since new. My BA was a lil bit modded, and pushing out 300+ kw, and had only just started thinking about starting to mod the FG before a drunk crashed into it at twice the posted speed limit at 9.30 in the morning :(

When it comes time for the tuning, dont cheap out, these engines are real hand granades when tuned by people who dont know them. I see your in Canberra, and would recommend that you go and have a chat with Herrod motorsort before any tuning is done, They are the Australian distributor for the SCT XCal tuning software, and have set up the BA-BF-FG tuning software better than SCT. Rod will point you in the right direction for a great tuner, and for the lpg, the ONLY set of gas I have heard working on these engines is the JTG Liquid injection http://www.alpgw.com.au Have seen HUGE power from this set up, where the other systems I have seen the pics of the aftermath :(

Fern tree gully auto salvage have a heap of current model bits laying around too http://www.ftgautosalvage.com.au/ if you havnt got the engine yet, I would have a chat with Chris, tell him what your doing as he is a wealth of information when sticking the Ford engines into weird and wonderful places (last one he did was putting a V8 from a GT and all of the running gear into a territory)

Good luck mate & I will be watch this with great anticipation

[twase]

It is not going to be a daily, I use my BF for that. I have the motor ECU and body and engine looms already. I have dealt with FTG before but with the previous owner (Darren)

[Biscuits]

Customer service has dropped a bit since Darren sold up, but everything else is awesome still. Just curious, what made you choose the turbo over the boss?

[twase]

Its cost effective for me to do it this way as I have all the main bits already from a previous project.

[offroad division]

Know it's a bit off topic but over on patrol4x4 (before it crapped itself) there was a guy who did a crazy bitsa truck using an XR6T and auto.

He used a GQ chassis, put an F100 body on it with a custom flat tray and then dropped the XR6 motor in with factory 6spd auto and an adapter to use a patrol transfer case.
He also made the XR6 interior fit in the cab as well, was a crazy neat job. Had massive engineering approval dramas but got it through in the end. Obviously you plan to use a different gearbox so that's where your adapter is but would still be worth looking up even just to see how he got around turbo position, mounted the engine etc.

[twase]

Thanks for the tip, pity that site is infected with MalWare.

[twase]

Found a build thread for IronHorse over on Fordmods
http://www.fordmods.com/the-garage-f53/ba2-xr6t-nissan-patrol-f250-loco-for-short-t69140.html

[twase]

Dellow BellHousing arrived today, looks the part too.
Gradually collecting parts over the next month before I commence the conversion.

[twase]

Might have solved the turbo clearance problem by flipping the manifold so the turbo is now high mounted. However I might now have bonnet clearance issues.
The other issue is the cast iron dump pipe no longer points in the correct place but there seems to be plenty of options here.

[twase]

In the light of day it looks like I am missing 50mm or so of bonnet clearance won't be able to tell for sure until the motor is installed.

[twase]

The more I look the less likely its going to fit under the bonnet, might have to go chasing a FG manifold.

[nissannewby]

2" body lift? Bonnet scoop over turbo?

[taslucas]

2" body lift? Bonnet scoop over turbo?

Or a bonnet bulge of a ford? That would look different on a patrol

tappin it

[twase]

food for thought, not sure that it would fit the patrol image though.

[taslucas]

food for thought, not sure that it would fit the patrol image though.

If you want the patrol image, keep a patrol motor in it!

tappin it

[nissannewby]

I have seen a patrol with one of those big tunnel ram bonnet scoops on it i didnt really like it but each to their own.

[MQ MAD]

If you want the patrol image, keep a patrol motor in it!

tappin it

Nah dont !!!!

I wanna see a GQ that smokes the rear bags at 100Ks !!!

[twase]

I can't think of any good reason at present to keep the TB42, I have spent so much time and money trying to get it to idle and not miss I will be glad to see the flywheel end of it leaving on a trailer.

[taslucas]

Should have a look at bigrigs members ride thread. He's getting some power out of the old tb42.

How many ks do ya get out of the xr6 before major rebuilds? Are they a very long lasting engine? What sort of kw's and torque would you be looking at, at the wheels on 33" tyres?



tappin it

[Winnie]

300kW should be no problem.

Tappa tappa

[taslucas]

300kW should be no problem.

Tappa tappa

Geez that would be tough!
Is that what they put out in a falcon?

tappin it

[Winnie]

A stock one could put that out in a Falcon with just a tune. Some boys are getting 800kW out of them. Now that would be fun in a Patrol!

Tappa tappa

[twase]

Started the conversion today, motors almost out.
Decided to go full BA electrics, so out goes almost all the Patrols wiring and in will go all the BA looms and Electronic's.

[twase]

Should have a look at bigrigs members ride thread. He's getting some power out of the old tb42.

How many ks do ya get out of the xr6 before major rebuilds? Are they a very long lasting engine? What sort of kw's and torque would you be looking at, at the wheels on 33" tyres?

tappin it

I would imagine they would last every bit as long as any other BA if not flash tuned. I know the Taxis do over 500000 before rebuilds and you see non turbo motors on ebay for sub $300 accasionally so rebuilds are probably the non economic way of doing things.
I would be more than happy with around 180kw. I am probably droping the boost control from the ECU anyway and fixing the boost at 5psi max.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Any Pics of this conversion yet?????

[twase]

Only the before shot so far.

[nissannewby]

With the sort of numbers your lookin at she should run that all day everyday. Taxis get such high k's out of the motors cos they are almost always at operating temp. Cold starts to warm up is where most engine wear happens

[twase]

Kinda stuck trying to seperate the bellhousing from the motor. I am not removing the gearbox which probably makes it harder. Can see any bolts remaining.

EDIT
I found a simple way of seperating the bellhousing from the engine, a jemmy bar through the starter opening and pry against the rear of the flywheel.

[MQ MAD]

I would imagine they would last every bit as long as any other BA if not flash tuned. I know the Taxis do over 500000 before rebuilds and you see non turbo motors on ebay for sub $300 accasionally so rebuilds are probably the non economic way of doing things.

Theres many an AU/BA donk around with near 800,000 Ks on them and still goin strong
The main issue they have like everything else with alloy heads is the head or gasket failure
Jump onto fordforums.com theres some daily driven BA XR6Ts thatll make your eyes water

[stevepet]

Hi sounds like n interesting conversion gotta hate electrics! You say you are using full ba electrics does this include dash and all other electrics. If yes souunds like a massive job. A guy on ebay is selling a complete stand alone loom for XR6T had a long chat with him he knows his stuff. Is your Patrol auto or manual will probably look at this when my TB45 expires. Currently tackling a XR6T conversion myself lots of planning and collecting. Good luck by the way i think you may have purchased a flywheel off me just answered my question your car is a manual.

Cheers

Steve

[twase]

Yes Steve the whole works, I am mid way through mounting the cluster guts into the patrol cluster. I don't think its a massive job and the benefits are well worth it (central locking, security, climate control...), the doors, cluster, and with the motor conversion everything is at or around the same position as it would be in a falcon so the loom is plug and play (virtually). What's not are external lighting and easily wired to the BA wiring. The good part is that most of it is very cheap and plentiful if you shop around, you will find it far cheaper than buying his "special loom" if its the one I am thinking of. I am planning on using the HIM to mechanically control the patrol's heater box so that's going to be the hardest bit. Yes as you worked out mine is a manual. You must also remember that it is not ending up off road in any serious manner so for me it does not need to be as rugged as factory.

[GU_Nemesis]

Can't wait to see the finished result... sounds killer!

[DieselSmart]

can't wait to see this haha!

[twase]

You Will need to be patient as it is going to be slow due to other commitments and lack of time to spend on it.

[twase]

Bit of a teaser. The GQ cluster with BA insides. The hard part was making the facia out of aluminium using the original plastic facia as a template. Still to be painted and a new screen.

[Bigrig]

You've more than tweaked my interest mate - will be watching and applauding as you go!

[Winnie]

Great job on that one mate, look forward to seeing more progress photos.

[twase]

Here is the wiring loom from a BA.
Layed it out to identify the connectors and try and work out what looms are still missing. Looks like someone got to the engine bay loom before me and cut out the headlight connectors on the loom side rather than just disconnecting them. Amongst other things I found I am missing the drivers side door loom but now have two passenger front door looms.
I can probably use the passenger loom in the drivers door until I need to install power windows and or mirrors.

[Robo]

You've more than tweaked my interest mate - will be watching and applauding as you go!
Don't do it bigrig, you haven't run in the one you have now !.

[threedogs]

Couple of Comp trucks down here in Mexico, were pulling 14 sec 1/4 mile times, getting around 235 kw at the back wheels , running 37" centipedes, could smoke all 4 at 60kph, awesome to watch, yours would be similar I would think. good luck with the build. Motors were 4.8 turboed nissan jobs. enameled blocks huge amount of work on motors.

[Robo]

Couple of Comp trucks down here in Mexico, were pulling 14 sec 1/4 mile times, getting around 235 kw at the back wheels , running 37" centipedes, could smoke all 4 at 60kph, awesome to watch, yours would be similar I would think. good luck with the build. Motors were 4.8 turboed nissan jobs. enameled blocks huge amount of work on motors.

Vids please, we all want to see this, please please please please please please.

[twase]

Started to mount the ICC into the GQ. Looks like it will fit and clear the gear sticks just fine..

Change of planes out with the low series ICC and in with the premium ICC.

[nissannewby]

Mate this is awesome love how you are grafting all the falcon gear into the trol the gauge cluster looks factory and the icc looks great too will be tops when its done

[Winnie]

Definitely taking it the extra mile, should all be worthwhile in the end mate good luck with it all.

[threedogs]

Comp trucks even spun all 4 going to Wandin one year on the freeway in the wet, will see if They have vids, scared the heck out of a few hoons

[twase]

Started to mount up the bellhousing today and guess what, it has a few issues.
First as I already suspected I have around 6mm of interference between the crank and the gearbox input shaft.

Next the slave cylinder needs about 10mm or so spacing out to line up with the fork. Might try using a BA clutch slave and see how that goes. (Edit: closer to 15mm out and moved forward about 15mm also)

The bellhousing fouls the firewall on a starter mounting tab on the bellhousing that is not even needed, I was tempted to grind it off but moved the firewall out of the way a little.

Lastly and the worst bit is the BA starter won't go all the way home into the bellhousing, it fouls the inside of the casting. looks like the CNC had a spell while it should have been doing this bit....Rang Dellow but no answer on a Saturday.

Can't say I wasn't warned about Dellow.

[97_gq_lwb]

lol dellow you could piss a pattern in a sandpit and get a better casting.

[twase]

Pity the are the only ones that make this bellhousing.

[97_gq_lwb]

Yeah at least you have the basic cast would pay to have it checked for alignment make sure it is all squared up as i have heard of them being out of whack and causing premature clutch failures due to misalignment .

[twase]

I think I have to trust that that is OK. I am sure is not faulty just not finished.

[twase]

Good progress this weekend.
Old engine mounts plasma cut off ready for finishing once new ones are in.
Motor positioned ready fabrication for new chassis engine mounts.
GQ looms removed except rear loom.
Dash out ready for motor driven Climate control. Getting dark when this one was taken....
Cant do much on engine until I sort the bellhousing issues.

[Robo]

Decent progress and looking good.
You have plenty of us following you, with this fingers crossed , go for it.
Cheers

[twase]

Started to mount up the bellhousing today and guess what, it has a few issues.
First as I already suspected I have around 6mm of interference between the crank and the gearbox input shaft.

Next the slave cylinder needs about 10mm or so spacing out to line up with the fork. Might try using a BA clutch slave and see how that goes.

The bellhousing fouls the firewall on a starter mounting tab on the bellhousing that is not even needed, I was tempted to grind it off but moved the firewall out of the way a little.

Lastly and the worst bit is the BA starter won't go all the way home into the bellhousing, it fouls the inside of the casting. looks like the CNC had a spell while it should have been doing this bit....Rang Dellow but no answer on a Saturday.

Can't say I wasn't warned about Dellow.

Spoke to Dellow today and he is making up some spacers for me to resolve the clutch slave alignment problem.
He was also willing to post the bellhousing back at his cost and rectify the starter issue - howevfer I am going to deal with this myself.
Restored a bit of confidence in after sales support.

[twase]

Decided just to check with the manifold right way up and I think I have plenty of clearance.
Very happy as I can keep the clutch booster and less custom work on the exhaust.

[Robo]

Something I once considered and haven't investigated yet but thought you may be interested yourself.
Is it possible to spin alloy section of turbo to reposition output to a more favourable position.
EG-- compressed air output angle up not down.
Catch I see, is re-securing actuator.
"looking at the turbo I have on my bench I can't see a reason why this cant be done".

As you will be custom building pipes thought this may help you out.

I never got around to asking a turbo specialist if this was ok to do, not affecting balance etc
Cheers

[twase]

Yes the plan is to rotate the compressor housing but not until I have an idea where it needs to point. I did not consider any implications as its only the housing being rotated not the core, I would be very interested if there are any that I have not considered.

[twase]

Sub Tank with a BA turbo Pump assembly in. Just waiting on a fuel sender from the states.

[twase]

Anyone know where I can get some momentary switches that fit the cluster holes in a GQ? I need to remote the two RHS buttons on the BA cluster.
I have removed the latching mechanism on the Hazard switch to make that momentary but need the dash light button and the trip function button.

[Robo]

Try Jaycar electronics.
They have a good selection of switches.
ACT, Belconnen ph 62535700.
Fyshwick ph 62391801.
cheers

[twase]

Thanks but no luck, they have some momentary switches listed on the Web site but not stocked and the same but latching are not the correct size anyway.

[twase]

Finished the cluster except extending the BA trip meter rod out the facia and doing something with the original nissan hole for the trip reset. Suggestions are welcome. I also need to locate a momentary switch or button that fits the original switch holes.

[97_gq_lwb]

What about an Aeriel switch it is a two way momentary switch

[threedogs]

Have you tried custom rockers on Ebay??

[nissannewby]

or modifying the blanks to suit

[MC97GQ]

As threedogs said try custom rockers(www.customrockers.com.au), talk to Ian, he can even customise the wording on the switches for a small additional fee.

The switches fit straight in, you just need to remove the bump in the console/dash surround where the switch slots in. Bad description, but you will know what I mean if you get them.

And they are really good to deal with.

Mark

[twase]

Nice switches. I had a look on the site for momentary jobs but could not see any. I will send him an email and see if he can supply any.
WES components have some in the catalogue but I am not sure if you can order them without an account.

[MC97GQ]

Morning twase,

found this http://www.customrockers.com.au/epages/cucu3398.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/cucu3348/Products/%22WINCHING%20SWITCH%20%28BLUE%29%22

Ian should be able to supply same switch with custom labels. He can also probably change lens cover as well if you are not happy with blue.

Hope this Helps

Mark

[Winnie]

Nice switches. I had a look on the site for momentary jobs but could not see any. I will send him an email and see if he can supply any.
WES components have some in the catalogue but I am not sure if you can order them without an account.

They definitely do momentary jobbies, I've got one.

[97_gq_lwb]

They look too big to me or have they changed the size lately.
I seen them in another post heres a pic from it you can see one fitted to the cluster surround.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g54/eighty88/DSCF0995.jpg

[97_gq_lwb]

And ring wes and speak to them they just charge more without an account i had one about 10 years ago they couldn't find it so they put it through on one of their own for me.

[MC97GQ]

They look too big to me or have they changed the size lately.
I seen them in another post heres a pic from it you can see one fitted to the cluster surround.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g54/eighty88/DSCF0995.jpg

Not sure what you mean by too big, I've had no dramas with them they fit well in either centre console or up in the instrument cluster.

[97_gq_lwb]

Look at the one on the dash surround looks abnormally larger then the others.
looks good in the center where they are all the same size though.

[twase]

Engine mounts fabricated and the old ones removed and given a tidy up.

Still having trouble with the dellow part of this conversion. The adjustable clutch rod from dellow makes no sense to me it, to start with its marked as a holden conversion, the factory clutch fork does not have a hole for the rod to go through to make it adjustable. On the phone again tomorrow. One can assume the outcome will be I need to use their fork....

[Robo]

Looking good bro.
Take 2 week off work and get into it.
ya should keep specs, dies ,jigs, and sell a kit.
maybe Marks would be interested !.

[DC-Auto]

do you require a brake upgrade for this conversion?

[twase]

do you require a brake upgrade for this conversion?I asked my certifying Engineer about that very thing and he said no need to upgrade, however as its going to be a tow vehicle I probably will at some stage.

[twase]

Looking good bro.
Take 2 week off work and get into it.
ya should keep specs, dies ,jigs, and sell a kit.
maybe Marks would be interested !.I wish, just started a new Job....anyway in no great hurry to have this finished - sorry guys. Apart from the bellhousing/clutch and the mounting of the cluster and HIM/ICC its all going to be pretty much plug and play.

[Robo]

I asked my certifying Engineer about that very thing and he said no need to upgrade, however as its going to be a tow vehicle I probably will at some stage.

I agree with your engineer it should weight about the same as std, so for daily driving towing no need.
but you may need a neck brace, LOL.

[Biscuits]

. Apart from the bellhousing/clutch and the mounting of the cluster and HIM/ICC its all going to be pretty much plug and play.

Have a read of this thread over at the Aus Ford Forums, http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11331318 Is a similar type of build as yours... but completely different. There are a LOT of issues with most of the "plug & play" components. but as difficult as it was, he got it happening. Hopefully a few of his issues will help you in getting this up and running smoothly

[twase]

Have a read of this thread over at the Aus Ford Forums, http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11331318 Is a similar type of build as yours... but completely different. There are a LOT of issues with most of the "plug & play" components. but as difficult as it was, he got it happening. Hopefully a few of his issues will help you in getting this up and running smoothly

Ta, I will read that when I get a chance.

Edit **** read the first page and realised I had already read this thread when I was contemplating using a BA 4 speed and a territory transfer case in the patrol, the stumbling block was the territory has the front drive shaft on the passengers side and I could not find an easy way of flipping the patrols front axle over.

[twase]

the XR6T Block is in the workshop for new rings and bearing along with a head for a full service so it nice and fresh when it goes in.

[97_gq_lwb]

I spotted these whilst looking for something else they look similar to the factory switches in the surround but not sure of the size.
They have a wide range of switches as well.

http://www.colehersee.com/home/grid/cat/10/

[twase]

Thanks for that I will add it to the growing list of options.

[twase]

Anyone know if its possible to remove the key release button on the ignition switch , it is in the way of the BA key transceiver I need to install.

[stevepet]

Looking good love the look of the dash. If only they did a bellhousing for an auto. Keep up the good work.

Steve

[nissannewby]

Anyone know if its possible to remove the key release button on the ignition switch , it is in the way of the BA key transceiver I need to install.

Generally you can just drill it out its just a spring with locking mechanism easily removed.

[Robo]

cant swap the whole assembly over

[twase]

cant swap the whole assembly overWith the BA part? Considered that but the angle of the barrel is wrong and probably the steering lock would not be compatible.

[Silver]

Check out the Narva website under rocker switches.

The Narva Rocker fog lamp switch listed under the standard duty section slotted straight into one of the lower row of holes in the centre console of my Mav. http://www.narva.com.au/products/browse/standard the opening si2e listed is 34.5mm x 20mm.

I know you want momentary on or momentary off. these are also listed on the Narva site under Rocker Switches heavy duty but the opening si2e is bigger at 37mm x 21mm.
http://www.narva.com.au/products/browse/heavy-duty-3

[twase]

Thanks for the info, I will check them out.

[twase]

Ended up finding some small Rocker switches in another JayCar. I will mount them in a blank and it should not look out of place at all.
Busy day yesterday finding fuel line fittings for the subtank installation. Got distracted and came home with a 2.2kw inverter generator for the van...

[twase]

Engine mounts are on.

[twase]

Engine mount fabricated to match the chassis mount.

[Robo]

have you thought out a way to make sure things stay in place "heavens forbid" rubber Mt breaks.

[Stropp]

Make sure you do injectors, and actuator and get it tuned should be insane!

[twase]

Make sure you do injectors, and actuator and get it tuned should be insane!

Sorry to disappoint you but only standard boost, the bottom end is standard and its all I need.

[twase]

have you thought out a way to make sure things stay in place "heavens forbid" rubber Mt breaks.I don't see why the engine mount would break, I am a bit old for roll backs :->

[Biscuits]

Injectors, Tune, & Wastgate wont hurt your bottom end, I had all that,plus valve springs, exhaust, intercooler and cross overs replaced score a tidy 323.7 rear wheel KW, and didnt even get close to needing a stronger bottom end, The next step was a bigger better free'r flowing intake plenum and bigger turbo, and after that was thinking I might have gotten close to doing it. Should have pushed between 350 > 400 rwkw. after the 400 rwkw is where you need to think about it :)

[Robo]

metal stoppers built in will ensure if rubber lets go, torque twist doesn't do any further damage.
a mate of mine broke std mt and it saved his from this sort of disaster.
looking at pic you seem to be missing such added protection.
just trying to help, hate to hear it went pear shaped on you.
cheers

[97_gq_lwb]

lol what ever happened to welding a couple of chain links on them.
It worked for the demo derby specials in the 70's

[twase]

metal stoppers built in will ensure if rubber lets go, torque twist doesn't do any further damage.
a mate of mine broke std mt and it saved his from this sort of disaster.
looking at pic you seem to be missing such added protection.
just trying to help, hate to hear it went pear shaped on you.
cheersI might look into it after its on the road. BTW I do appreciate your comments.

[twase]

Putting in the Sub Tank at the moment and have cut the three lines that run to the rear tank and was intending using some brass olive connections but they won't clamp down hard enough for my liking.
How would I go slipping the hose over the pipe and securing it with a hose clamp? It does have to hold over 4 bar of pressure from the EFI pump.

[twase]

Updates:
Ordered new alluminium fuel lines so I can run them down the correct side.
Short motor and Head back from a full reco, gave the block a quick coat of Red engine enamel.
The Short motor had some very bent rods, I had spares but they needed close and hone work as no caps for them.
I have ready to go in all new genuine head VRS kit and bolts, timing chain set, water pump, plugs and igniters, FG sump and pickup. All waiting assembly when I get game and I am finished with the NA motor I am using for test fitting.
Vapour injected Gas kit arrived which I needed before the final engine fit.
Working on the Intercooler fitting at present, I might go the BA AC condenser so hoses become a little less of a pain.

[DC-Auto]

are you running an aftermarket bar? ive been contemplating removing my AC from my build, just to get that little bit more flow over my radiator, half the front end is covered by an arb winch bar. I'm not trying to steer you out of running AC, im hoping your response will steer me to keep it

[twase]

No, just the dealer supplied alloy bar without the winch. With the BA motor I think I can move the radiator and condenser back a fair bit to gain clearance.

[twase]

Got a little bit done this weekend.
GU column in ready for the new black leather Airbag steering wheel.
Fly by Wire pedal mount fabricated and installed.
Air Filter finished and installed - this has been the best part of two weekends.

[twase]

Steering wheel arrived, could not be happier with it.

[nissannewby]

I have said it before but this is trick. Your attention to detail is awesome and you could nearly be mistaken that this is how it came from factory top build mate awesome.

[Ben-e-boy]

lol what ever happened to welding a couple of chain links on them.
It worked for the demo derby specials in the 70's

that still happens.. my mate with a 700hp 80 series has chains the thing with that is it kinda brings the chassis with it lol

[twase]

Patrol GU ignition Barrel with the BA falcon TILA module grafted onto the GU Pickup coil.

[Robo]

So will you be taking it to Summer Nats !!

[twase]

All the modules and looms ready for a trip to Ford on Wednesday to get them programmed.
Once thats done I can start installing the looms and getting the HIM controling the heater/AC controls.
Changed the door locks to GU to match the ignition lock. Almost finished the intercooler plumbing.

[davo94]

Nice work. Cant wait to see the end result

[twase]

Nor can I, wiring and modules still at Ford trying to match them. I had a bit of BF loom intermingled with the BA stuff that seems to be the cause of the problems.

[twase]

A step closer, Ford have done the programming for me today so my suspicions were correct, the BF section is different. Pick up this afternoon and begin the loom installation. Managed to pick up two window motors on the weekend for the bargain price of $18 each but both LHS , so I might have to work on power windows as well if I can find one or hopefully two RHS to match..

[MEGOMONSTER]

Hijack, mate put BA XR6T in an XE, on the dyno today pulled 600hp, 380kw, ( I think that's what he said. The numbers are right might be other way round)

Second run snapped tail shaft 3grand damage. Ripped the undercarriage to pieces. Sorry.


Publicly speaking to a private audience.

[Robo]

You got the figures correct.
380 x 1.6 = 608.

[twase]

A bit of a setback, the fresh motor is rebuilt and assembled but when I went to install it I found that I did not have clearance for the head temp sensor at the rear of the head.
This meant a rework of the engine mounts on the block to lower the motor a tad. That meant I no longer had enough clearance from the turbo to the steering coupler. So I have reverted to having the turbo manifold upside down and the turbo mounted backwards so the exhaust is pointing forward. I have removed the clutch servo to gain clearance. I think I have a better result flow wise than with the setup in the BA factory locations.

I have the Sub tank installed along with new fuel lines but I have some major work to do with the inter cooler plumbing once again. Long term it looks ideal for a WTA intercooler.

[Robo]

A step closer none the less.
Good luck

[BigRAWesty]

This has the potential to be a monster... You'll be upping the boost soon enough.. lol

BTW, were are the pics???

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[MQ MAD]

Hijack, mate put BA XR6T in an XE, on the dyno today pulled 600hp, 380kw, ( I think that's what he said. The numbers are right might be other way round)

Second run snapped tail shaft 3grand damage. Ripped the undercarriage to pieces. Sorry.


Publicly speaking to a private audience.

Sorry to hijack on a hijack,bloody hijackers ,cant they walk .....
Got some info or links,maybe thru PM (keep this thread clean)
Im lookin at a turbo 4L in either an XD ute ,or maybe if im keen,an MK shorty ......

[twase]

Here is a picture of the motor in and re-doing the plumbing, starting with the exhaust.

[twase]

A picture of the motor with the LPG injector installed.
To answer Westy's question, this is the reason that the boost will be left stock.
The LPG kit maxes out at around 250KW.

[twase]

Back from holidays and xmas commitments and first job is to tidy the shed so I can find all the tools oncce again. Over a month without any significant action has me even further behind my schedule.
I managed to pick up another winder motor for nix and the final one on Ebay to complete the electric window side of the conversion.
Also picked up a rear bar with lights in good condition to replace the old bar which was in bad condition and the non light version.
After beating out a small dent and repainting the ends it ready to go on.

[GarryMC]

Gooday, am trying to insert 09 FG donk into GQ 88 shorty. Have Dellow kit -- no comment here as I'm still trying to get issues resolved -- wrong flywheel - wrong clutch plate wrong wrong. I feel like I'm there R&D department!! I would like to have a yak to you about your conversion, however not sure if am allowed to put mobile number up.

[matfew]

looks great. The BA motor should haul that along nicely and SHOULD get some economy. You might be better off to get a flash tune to help with economy. They can set boost control that way with minor mods to equipment and then you can also have multiple maps. maybe a fun one when not towing. a torque one for towing and maybe a limited map for "others" lol.

Look forward to seeing the progress.

[MC97GQ]

Gooday, am trying to insert 09 FG donk into GQ 88 shorty. Have Dellow kit -- no comment here as I'm still trying to get issues resolved -- wrong flywheel - wrong clutch plate wrong wrong. I feel like I'm there R&D department!! I would like to have a yak to you about your conversion, however not sure if am allowed to put mobile number up.

Hey Garry,

Better not to put your phone number out there, Just PM your details to Twase and he would probably gladly talk to you about it.

Mark

[GarryMC]

Thanks Mark -- got in touch still feeling my way around...Garry

[twase]

A little further down the track this weekend with Premium sound ICC Facia intergrated into the GQ's dash, in primer ready to paint. Double DIN top ready for the touchscreen for the carputer grafted ontop.

[TurboOne]

Not reading the whole thread, does it bolt in or alot of modification?

[evillius]

I love the idea of this conversion.

Currently driving an XR6 turbo. The idea of that kind of torque and power in a GQ sounds like heaven! Definately gonna be keeping my eye on this thread!

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2013/01/51.jpg

[TurboOne]

Actually, what xr6 is the the engine out of? Ba? etc. You could hiflo the turbo and change the injectors and get more power out of it.

[Winnie]

Sorry if it has been Asked but what ECU will you be running?

[twase]

Sorry if it has been Asked but what ECU will you be running?
Standard XR6T manual ECU

[twase]

Not reading the whole thread, does it bolt in or alot of modification?

Engine mounts require a bit of work and bellhousing from Dellow will get you bolted in, the ancilaries as you would expect with any engine conversion are all cutomised to suit.

[evillius]

How is this all travelling? update?

[twase]

Been a busy two weeks installing the wiring looms and connecting them up to the GQ lights ect...have most of the exterior and interior lights operational, central locking and power windows are done. ICC test fitted and working.
Main problem I have at the moment is mechanically connecting the BA heater actuators up to the patrols cables, the problem is that the climate control wont turn on so I can't get a feel for direction and travel the actuators are going to give. Not sure on the reason it won't turn on.

[Robbomaz]

This is a really silly project - just how I like em :devilred:

[twase]

Funny, that's the same opinion my wife has about it.

[twase]

Plugged some reversing sensors into the rear body loom from an old BF rear bar I had and they work, need to find a way to mount them now.
I think I am on top of the climate control issue, I suspect because I have dual zone controls and I have asked Ford to program the HIM as single zone to match the heater box in the patrol the can bus commands must now be mismatched.

[twase]

Mockup of the WTA intercooler and it looks like its a perfect fit.
Clutch master cylinder moved back onto the firewall gives plenty of clearance, just need some work on the heater pipes as they enter the firewall to give more clearance on the turbo inlet pipework.

[twase]

Worked on the exhaust this weekend.
I am glad to get the section between the motor and the front drive shaft done. Its 3" to 2x 2.5" then ovaled to give enough clearance to the drive shaft and then back to 3" all the way to the rear bumper. This section is wrapped in thermal insulation as its very close to the sump.
The third picture shows the transfer case linkage, turns out its very close to the exhaust.
I removed the rubber boot as its probably only going to burn being within 10mm of the exhaust. I assume this boot does not do very much.

[twase]

Got a bit done this week end, the highlight was the $20 carbon Fibre (Plastic) Ebay Pillar Pod which turned out OK after a bit of contouring to match the pillar. It just needs a coat of Siver Metalic to match the dash.

[davo94]

Keep up the good work

[twase]

Attempted to start the motor on the weekend only to discover it won't start. No fuel was the diagnosis so I put 15 litres on top of the 20 that should have been in there. Still no go. Measured the voltage to the pump and found it was ok but a resistance check back into the pump showed an open circuit. Brand new pump assy and it looks faulty, ebay strikes again. Drained the tank and pulled the tank out only to find it is ok now. New pump ordered, this time a walbro job. A day and a half wasted on this, however a small leak in the tank can get some attention whilst its out.

On a brighter side, the dash is in for the final time. Testing of the auto headlights feature confirms it works. Had to remove a few of the large connectors that join segments of the body loom as they don't fit under kick panels and seats like they do in a falcon. Still need to rationalise the wiring around the drivers footwell and shorten looms. Bonnet clearance issues to the intercooler were discovered when it went on so the mounting bracket need some reworking to move it forward and down. Have good clearance now but required a new silicone bend with a sharper radius into the throttle body, that is ordered.

[dirtygu]

looking good cant wait to hear what its like on the rd might be a good upgrade for my gu as the old zd30 is getting close to poping ;)

[Winnie]

What sort of intercooler are you going with? Top mount or front mount?

[twase]

What sort of intercooler are you going with? Top mount or front mount?

Water to air job on top of the motor, you can see a picture a few posts back, the cooler for that is in front of rad.

[89gqpatrol4x4]

doing a great job mate! will love to see plenty of videos when she's going.

[twase]

Looks like I had either an issue in the BA fuel pump assy or a faulty unit, the plastic surge bowl is split down the side.

[raptorthumper]

Are you sure that Ford set the keys and PATS up properly, as from memory PATS disables the fuel pump as well as injectors and ignition.?

[twase]

Yes I have had it running before, the security light goes out so its a happy vegemite. New pump is almost installed.

[justalfa]

Looking great Twase
Im in the process of doing a similar conversion in my gq but less involved im putting a 2012 FG turbo 6 in my gq, ive got the engine, conversion kit, ecu has been reflashed, security removed,software changed from auto to manual , looms been modified to a standalone engine loom with the accelerator wiring included, i got the gearbox back in just last week as i completly removed it and fitted the bellhousing and done the input shaft and output shaft seals, cut the old engine mounts off, the mounts i got in my conversion kit look different to yours and i plan on keeping the factory turbo mounts and fabricating the steel mount to suit that i weld to the rail, i have brand new fg radiator, twin thermos and a/c condensor, ive got the fuel pump just need to make a tank, i still need to do all the fuel lines boost piping, cooler, and the gauge side of things to make it work with the factory cluster. im still along way off but slowly getting there. Im not going all out like you with the internal electrics which i think is unreal and the way youve gone about it is great. Keep up the work and ill be checking in to see how the progress is going. Great work Justin

[twase]

Sounds like this conversion is getting popular, quite a few now that I know of.

Started mine up today, a few leaks but quickly sorted. Alternator was stuffed but I had another which was the original one which I had misplaced, it was found and installed. The fuel pump now has a Walbro installed rather than the EBAY special and all works great, fixed the tank leak while it was out as well. Picked up the missing inertia switch while down melbourne for the GP, it had been bypassed up until now, quite a good safety item. Bit loud in the shed with just the 3" muffler but sounds mean at idle. Putting in the BA leather front seats today just need some feedback from the engineer.

[twase]

After 6 full on days I have it on the road, just a few things to finish of before I get the mod plate.
Even though I am running it in I can feel it has more go than I expected, however it's easily stalled because I am still getting used to the clutch and the fear of loosing some rubber of the back wheels.
Next task is to change my signature....maybe after the novelty wears off.

[Dallaz]

How did you go with the plumbing air con power steer etc you should run it in HARD check out mototuneusa.com break in secrets it's for 4cyl bikes but relates to any piston engine

[twase]

Bit late now already done more than 20 miles, however thanks to a rather pushy and now very embarrassed crumydore driver it might not have been too late after all.

[twase]

Checking of the list of things that the engineer want fixed before the road test and the mod plate is issued.
Loud exhaust, mudflaps, wiring not finished.........

[BigRAWesty]

Getting close though..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[twase]

Yep, then I can enjoy it. Got a full set of dent free power doors with tint to install once the inspection is done.

[BigRAWesty]

What tint are you going? Sound mine soon and a rust repair to. The rear windows are coming out and set to the pros to have the old stuff removed over the defrost wires.. new rear rubbers and new nearly black out tint for the rear cargo windows. Then the darkest legal tint for the rest..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[twase]

Whatever they currently have, they seem to be a light tint but its hard to tell, just don't want any hassles through the inspection. I had to remove the 21 year old tint last time and what a pita it was.

[Maxgq]

Where did you get that pillar gauge pod from? $20? Can you send me the link please, nice looking build up!

[twase]

Where did you get that pillar gauge pod from? $20? Can you send me the link please, nice looking build up!
I assume you are talking about the pillar pod, eBay just search and you should find it.

[Maxgq]

Is it a patrol specific one?

[twase]

It a generic fit, may or may not be legal in your state.

[Maxgq]

Ok thanks mate

[BigRAWesty]

Whatever they currently have, they seem to be a light tint but its hard to tell, just don't want any hassles through the inspection. I had to remove the 21 year old tint last time and what a pita it was.

Yea I got this to look forward to.. any tips..
Mines 22 years and bubbled bad...

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[twase]

I used a scraper from bunnings, the type with the stanley blade in them. i then finished up with grease
and wax remover to get rid of the sticky film. Be very carefull of the rear demister wires with the blade.

[Alitis007]

Warm water with morning fresh in and steel wool but the finer the better, thats how the pros do it unless you have a steam mop!

[burgo88]

Cool thread mate, i was talking about this only today!! keen to hear it go!!

[twase]

Well things have now stopped while I concentrate on things that have been neglected over the last 9 months. Today I placed the Mod plate(sticker) on and that will do for a while.

[BigRAWesty]

Good to hear its on road..

Kallen Westbrook
Owner of
Westy's Accessories (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?15134-Westy-s-Accessories.-A-small-back-yard-builder.)

[twase]

Tip to Albury on the weekend, did not miss a beat. Plenty of torque even being strangled with 2" tailpipe and limited to 4psi boost. Averaged around 14.5l/100k's
When its run in and I get some time it will get the boost controller hooked up, the intercooler water plumbed in and a dual 2 1/4" cat back system.

[twase]

Could not be happier with the outcome of this project. The main objective was a tow vehicle. The result is more than I had hoped for. Towed the 18' tandem van up to Sydney and once underway only need 4th and 5th all the way and then only because "do not tow in 5th" was on my mind although it did slip my mind once or twice. Returned an average of 21.1l/100 sitting on 100kph all the way.

[trekster]

Need to hear this thing spooling!!!! Keen for vids :D


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[vwace]

OMG. wow what an awesome machine, that must pull really well

[jono995]

would love to see some picks of the dash completed :)

[twase]

This is the only one I have, but I think you have seen this one over on Patrol4x4

[seehuusen]

love your work mate! great attention to detail as well :)

[NissanGQ4.2]

What work was involved in the Center Dash???? Looks nice

[twase]

A lot of fiberglass and time but I am surprised you have an interest in it as it like most things on this car is from Ford.; -)

[NissanGQ4.2]

A lot of fiberglass and time but I am surprised you have an interest in it as it like most things on this car is from Ford.; -)

hahahaha yeh I figured as much.............. bloody crap ford parts *L* but I would love a screen set high in a top pod like yours...

Do you have a build on it over at patrol 4x4 that you could copy across for us here???

[twase]

Ahh that bit is non Ford, its just a touch screen that I can select either AV from the caravan rear view or eventually from the laptop for my carputer.
The top is pretty much the bottom half cut from a surplus panel and turned upside down and grafted on. Im my case it is in the ideal position but if you need more depth from the screen you will need it mounted much higher to clear the dash.

[twase]

hahahaha yeh I figured as much.............. bloody crap ford parts *L* but I would love a screen set high in a top pod like yours...

Do you have a build on it over at patrol 4x4 that you could copy across for us here???

The only build thread is this one, at the time Patrol4x4 had virus alert issues from my antivirus so I did not do much over there.

[NissanGQ4.2]

Ahh that bit is non Ford, its just a touch screen that I can select either AV from the caravan rear view or eventually from the laptop for my carputer.
The top is pretty much the bottom half cut from a surplus panel and turned upside down and grafted on. Im my case it is in the ideal position but if you need more depth from the screen you will need it mounted much higher to clear the dash.

See all the good parts are from a Nissan :)

So you didn't take any pics while doing the top half of the dash???..................shame ur not in Sydney, I'd be around with beers in hand asking for assistance to make me one up

[BigRAWesty]

So how's this going?? Been dyno'd yet??

[twase]

Its going well, just working on getting the water side of the WTA intercooler up and running. No need to dyno its running stock ecu program but as I am LPGing it, it will probably get a turn soon.

[BigRAWesty]

Nice. Any reason for the water to air?
I've heard its not as efficient as air to air? Unless you do what this old codger has done down here and stuck a 100L water tank On the Ute tray with separate pump. Sorta defeats the purpose of adding the turbo I thought.. Lol..

[nissannewby]

Nice. Any reason for the water to air?
I've heard its not as efficient as air to air? Unless you do what this old codger has done down here and stuck a 100L water tank On the Ute tray with separate pump. Sorta defeats the purpose of adding the turbo I thought.. Lol..

Water to air is very good. Temps will be a lot more stable than with a front mount, also your intake path is drastically shorter than that of a front mount setup. Where they lose is people don't put a big enough heat exchanger on or a intercooler core that is to small etc etc. All water to air setups should have their own pump and heat exchanger, with the heat exchanger being as large as possible.

[BigRAWesty]

Water to air is very good. Temps will be a lot more stable than with a front mount, also your intake path is drastically shorter than that of a front mount setup. Where they lose is people don't put a big enough heat exchanger on or a intercooler core that is to small etc etc. All water to air setups should have their own pump and heat exchanger, with the heat exchanger being as large as possible.

I guess when it's on its own system it'll be fine, but when it's run on the engine system.. But I guess that's all part n parcel of planning your build..

[twase]

As above, better intake routing mainly. I have front mounted two raptor ATV radiators and a ford v8 electric water pump to pump the coolant around so it should be efficient.

[Ben-e-boy]

I guess when it's on its own system it'll be fine, but when it's run on the engine system.. But I guess that's all part n parcel of planning your build..

All water to air setups are a seperate system.

[twase]

I am actually considering using the LPG converter circuit to add cooling to the intercooler.

[smoke]

i'd buy this instead - http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=KC5378

[MAV50L]

A bit of a setback, the fresh motor is rebuilt and assembled but when I went to install it I found that I did not have clearance for the head temp sensor at the rear of the head.
This meant a rework of the engine mounts on the block to lower the motor a tad. That meant I no longer had enough clearance from the turbo to the steering coupler. So I have reverted to having the turbo manifold upside down and the turbo mounted backwards so the exhaust is pointing forward. I have removed the clutch servo to gain clearance. I think I have a better result flow wise than with the setup in the BA factory locations.

I have the Sub tank installed along with new fuel lines but I have some major work to do with the inter cooler plumbing once again. Long term it looks ideal for a WTA intercooler.

Im very impressed with this unit from the time I saw it at Liverpool.
With the sensor clearance issue on the back of the head , since I am running the 2" bodylift in mine do you think I would have enough clearance for it?
It would make me very happy in the pants if I could get away with running the standard BA turbo manifold in its normal orientation and still be able to clear everything.

[twase]

Im very impressed with this unit from the time I saw it at Liverpool.
With the sensor clearance issue on the back of the head , since I am running the 2" bodylift in mine do you think I would have enough clearance for it?
It would make me very happy in the pants if I could get away with running the standard BA turbo manifold in its normal orientation and still be able to clear everything.

If you make up a plate 15 - 20mm thick to space the steering box away from the chassis the clearance issue with the turbo goes away. The head temp sender is only an issue now if i need to replace it with the motor still in, the same issue is there when the motor is in a falcon. The original mounts did not take the sender into account, after a rework they allowed clearance. I will bring her out one Friday if you need another look see.

[twase]

Thinking of selling it as it is just sitting around. Not getting any time to get the van out for some leisure time. Just don't know what to ask for it, or where to advertise it.

[BigRAWesty]

Thinking of selling it as it is just sitting around. Not getting any time to get the van out for some leisure time. Just don't know what to ask for it, or where to advertise it.
So what's happening here bloke?? Still got the ride? I've seen a recent pic from Google of your center dash setup..
Mate this rig is to nice to sell..
How's the whole unit going??