Gq swivel hub kit

[taslucas]

After a bit of a play late Saturday (and the wee hours of Sunday morning) I think I have done a swivel hub seal. Been looking at the kits, and wondering if it's worth getting the bearings included and also if there are any brands to stay away from.
I don't know the service history of the wheel bearings so I'm thinking it's worth doing for the extra $50 or so.
Any thoughts would be appreciated

Cheers


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[Silver]

this is the kit I used Taslucas -

http://store.onlineautoparts.com.au/Items/SH13?&caSKU=SH13&caTitle=Nissan%20Patrol%20Y60%20GQ%204x4%20Swivel% 20Hub%20King%20Pin%20Bearing%20%26%20Seal%20Kit%20 87-97

Their physical shop is pretty close to home. I also bought wheel bearing kits, brake rotors and pads from them.

The lock washer for the wheel bearing retaining nuts was not as thick/heavy duty as the one previously installed. The bearings etc were recognised and highly regarded Japanese brands.

They didn't include the rubber edged metal discs that are intended to seperate the king pin bearings from the CV joint space. If you are careful and think about how these are installed you can probably keep them intact - I learned to after the first one :-) otherwise they are available from Nissan, at $30 each, and therefore presumably Ni22bits etc

I posted some info here in Jan or Feb last year when I did mine. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?2972-GQ-Patrol-king-pin-plug-remove

also took the opportunity to clean and relube the cvs

So far, so good!

[growler2058]

I got mine off ebay cant remember the supplier but make sure you get japanese bearings not chinese copies

[nissannewby]

If you have oil coming from your swivel then its more than likely your inner axle seal that needs to be replaced. So if didnt want the extra cost that would be all you would need plus your wheels bearings. However if you are just wanting to fresh all bearings and seals up then a kit is the way to go some kits include bearings others dont.

[taslucas]

Thanks heaps guys. I think I will go with the kit in your link Silver. $160 is cheaper than the others I've seen. Ill need to get it done and back on the road in one go so would you say it's worth getting those rubber edged spacers you spoke of silver just in case I damage one?

I'll be needing to keep driving it for a few weeks(will keep out of 4wd), should/can I top up the fluid to replace what's coming out? I'll post a pick of how much is coming out tonight.



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[taslucas]

So in theory it should be right to let a bit of this oil run out as long as I don't use 4wd?

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[growler2058]

Its diff oil thats coming out, you should be ok as long as you dont use 4wd or lock your hubs the centre isnt moving

[growler2058]

While ya got it pulled down you should think about a LoKKA ;-)

[MudRunnerTD]

You could drive around like that in 4wd if you had too, not that big a deal. as Growler stated it's Diff oil your looking at. as long as you have not lost 2lts of the stuff your going to be fine.

The biggest problem you have right now actually is that that Diff Oil has mixed with your CV grease and your Wheel Bearing grease and is basically Washing them out of the good stuff. If you have to run around a bit or delay for weeks then think about wheel bearings too.

If your going a kit I'd definitely go the new Wheel bearings and King Pin bearings too. You Will notice the difference. Huge!

If you'd just put it back together and that happened then just repack the bearings and new seal but if they have been in a while go the whole hog mate.

[bordertech]

No point doing it unless you replace the inner axle seal as well otherwise the diff oil will leak straight back out the new swivel hub seals and also wash the grease out of your CV's which will have to come out for cleaning and repacking anyway.

They didn't include the rubber edged metal discs that are intended to seperate the king pin bearings from the CV joint space. They dont because those seals are a Nissan only made part. They stop diff oil from a leaking inner axle seal or water from getting into the swivel hub bearings.

[nissannewby]

The kits should come with new inner axle seals.(the cause of the leak) x2 on mudrunner

[taslucas]

Ok cheers guys, so it would be good to get the kit that silver put a link to above,
PLUS wheel bearings.
PLUS the rubber edged metal discs from Nissan.
And ofcourse new diff oil and grease for cv's.


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[taslucas]

The kits should come with new inner axle seals.(the cause of the leak) x2 on mudrunner

Yep the one in the link above has inner and outer axle seals, king pin bearings and spindle bearings. Other gasket and seals

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[growler2058]

When you slot your axles back in be real careful of the new seal, they are easily damaged. Keep the axle as straight as possible,

[nissannewby]

Yeah that kit would be the go. And as for the rubber edged discs if you are carefuly you can remove these without any damage without to much of a drama. Just be sure you use the correct types of grease for your bearings and cv's. Its not a hard job to do if you take your time and lay everythin out how you pulled it apart should be a nice half day job. I found the most time consuming part was cleaning everything up housings, sealing faces etc.

[taslucas]

Cool as. I have a mechanic for a brother so I might pay him a visit. Sweet I think I'll do some ordering tonight. Cheers again guys

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[Silver]

there is a knack to getting the long axle in, which I don't have :-)

While trying to be careful not to damage the oil seal, I also had a lot of trouble getting the splined end into the diff.

Next time I will practice while the old oil seal is still in place, so I don't have to worry when it comes time for the real deal :-)

[nissannewby]

You just angle the cv down towards the ground and with small amount of leverage while stopping it from spinning with your other hand you can take the weight then its just lining it up and presto its in :)

[Silver]

You just angle the cv down towards the ground and with small amount of leverage while stopping it from spinning with your other hand you can take the weight then its just lining it up and presto its in :)

I know that is the way it is supposed to happen :-)

[lachiek]

Hey guys, I recently got a mechanic to replace my swivel hub and bearings (Terrain Tamer kit) and I have a feeling its not all back together quite right...
I have auto hubs and with the hubs on auto in 2H I'm feeling some chatter on full lock like the hubs are locked. Also when 4wd is engaged with hubs in auto they make a loud clicking sound which stops when I manually lock the hubs. This never used to happen, any ideas why it would now??

Good news is the swivel hub lea is gone!

[nissannewby]

I have auto hubs and with the hubs on auto in 2H I'm feeling some chatter on full lock like the hubs are locked. Also when 4wd is engaged with hubs in auto they make a loud clicking sound which stops when I manually lock the hubs. This never used to happen, any ideas why it would now??
The auto ones have to be put back into place correctly or they can cause dramas. Just have a peek at the manuals and it will tell you how to go about easy enough for you to do yourself in your driveway.

[lachiek]

Cool will do. Just had a tinker in the driveway and the front drive shaft will only turn 180 degrees before it locks when parked in 2H with hubs on auto. I think it should be able to spin freely?
Solid as when parked in 4H.
Thanks for the help.

[Robo]

Was not happy with the supposed jap bearing ebay kit.
the large seal that fitted inside swivel housing opposite axle seal did not fit.
I complained about seal but was simply given the cold shoulder, no reply what so ever to when I informed correct seal wasn't any good.
Had to go and get aftermarket myself to get the old girl back on the rd asap
It was to big to fit properly and wouldn't clamp over the inner housing as it should.
This was the best option not waiting 1-2 weeks to get another wrong seal.

And the needle bearing was below standard specs, shorter needles.
get what you pay for.
The bearings might be jap, but the seals are cheap crap.
here's a link on thread I started yesterday on swivel seals and shims for more/other related info.
cheers.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?10574-Swivel-bearing-seals-and-shims.-DA-Maverick-MQ-MK-and-guess-GQ-also.

[taslucas]

Was not happy with the supposed jap bearing ebay kit.
the large seal that fitted inside swivel housing opposite axle seal did not fit.
I complained about seal but was simply given the cold shoulder, no reply what so ever to when I informed correct seal wasn't any good.
Had to go and get aftermarket myself to get the old girl back on the rd asap
It was to big to fit properly and wouldn't clamp over the inner housing as it should.
This was the best option not waiting 1-2 weeks to get another wrong seal.

And the needle bearing was below standard specs, not enough needles.
get what you pay for.
The bearings might be jap, but the seals are cheap crap.
here's a link on thread I started yesterday on swivel seals and shims for more/other related info.
cheers.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?10574-Swivel-bearing-seals-and-shims.-DA-Maverick-MQ-MK-and-guess-GQ-also.

So....You wouldnt recomend the kit in the link that silver put up?

[Silver]

So....You wouldnt recomend the kit in the link that silver put up?

Be interesting to know if your kit came from the same place, Robo? I didn't notice those issues with the one I bought, nor the mate's, which is not to say that the issues were not present in the kits we bought :-).

I didn't have any problems requiring customer service with this crowd, but if I did, their physical presence is just down the road a bit from me.

Rick

[taslucas]

I think ill be going for the kit you got silver:)

i got a bit of a shock on the cost of wheel bearings though!

[Silver]

I can't remember what the wheelbearings cost,now, but I think it would be well worth checking to make sure this kit isn't affected by the issues Robo raised.

[taslucas]

$160 for both front wheels from the same place as the swivel hub kit. I suppose they are heavy vehicles though....

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[Silver]

$160 for both front wheels from the same place as the swivel hub kit. I suppose they are heavy vehicles though....

tappin it

I dunno, Taslucas, this one looks like swivel hub kit and wheel bearings for a touch under $200?

http://store.onlineautoparts.com.au/Items/shwb13?&caSKU=shwb13&caTitle=Nissan%20Patrol%20GQ%20GR%20Y60%20Swivel%2 0Hub%20Kit%20with%20Wheel%20Bearings%20King%20Pin% 20Knuckle%20Seal

[taslucas]

Cool, it looks like the same kit as your first link but with wheel bearings included.




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[Silver]

I shoulda paid more attention with the first link Taslucas :-)

[Robo]

So....You wouldnt recomend the kit in the link that silver put up?

Just had a look at who supplied my kit and can report.
NOT THE SAME AS SILVER POSTED.

won't name, names but its not them ok
the seal was only a couple thou to big "Id" .
it slipped on by hand and couldn't hold it's self in place "useless".
I told em about seal, they asked me which kit.
told em which, but because it was the correct kit never replied to me again.
no further assistance and was ignored that was last year.
still haven't heard from em. the seal was simply faulty/poor quality control.
I did not damage them, they both fell on easily, no effort required.
blar blar.

[Silver]

Just had a look at who supplied my kit and can report.
NOT THE SAME AS SILVER POSTED.

won't name, names but its not them ok
the seal was only a couple thou to big "Id" .
it slipped on by hand and couldn't hold it's self in place "useless".
I told em about seal, they asked me which kit.
told em which, but because it was the correct kit never replied to me again.
no further assistance and was ignored that was last year.
still haven't heard from em. the seal was simply faulty/poor quality control.
I did not damage them, they both fell on easily, no effort required.
blar blar.

Robo,

that's really disappointing service. On the other hand, I appreciate your pointers on a couple of things to look for in these kits

[Robo]

All good.
feel I'm getting to involved at times but I also want to learn all I can.
There's only 1 way to truly do that.
Get involved.

[luvpsi]

was looking into this kit until the other day when i rang veals and they have same kit without wheel bearings for 140 but still has king pin bearings

[Robo]

Check the swivel bearings have their own rubber seal built in, seal is part of this bearing.
Really the kit is expensive at $140 without the w/bearings.
Wheel bearings are fairly large and expensive by them-selves.

[luvpsi]

the link posted in this thread is 160 with king pin bearings but no wheel bearings so it is cheaper and i dont have to wait for delivery

[Robo]

the large bearing are something like $50 each from bearing shop.
that said smaller est, $30 each.
$160 just for wheel bearings.
so the $140-$160 kit is only ok if you don't need wheel bearing at all.
Might be worth it to pay a little more and get the full set.

[taslucas]

I have just ordered this kit:

http://store.onlineautoparts.com.au/...Knuckle%20Seal

Thanks again for the link Silver:)

Its on its merry way.:)

[growler2058]

I have just ordered this kit:

http://store.onlineautoparts.com.au/...Knuckle%20Seal

Thanks again for the link Silver:)

Its on its merry way.:)

No nO nO NO NO not that one thats the wrong/bad 1 STOP maybe hahahahaha

[taslucas]

Really?........
Or are you just getting me back for the vy thread?

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[97_gq_lwb]

Anyone tried this kit complete for $197 thinking about getting one myself.
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/New-Nissan-Patrol-GQ-GR-Y60-Swivel-Hub-Quality-Japanese-Bearings-Kit-/251043945002?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3a73629a2a

[Robo]

sorry, I have a bad feelings here if ya follow.
but that said the kits could be all the same kit and simply different boxes.
maybe I was unlucky with the seals crap q control and service.
But the needle bearings pose a potential problem, lack of needles compared to oem.

[Silver]

G'day Robo,

Do you happen to know the number of rollers in the oem bearings? Taslucas and 97_gq_lwb could call the vendor and ask them to check the bearings in their kit.

Robo, Taslucas and 97_gq_lwb, someone wanted to know the part numbers of the GQ front bearings - I posted this thread that shows the numbers of what I took out, and what came in the kit. I don't have the knowledge to assess quality based on numbers, but the brands are name brands from Japan and I kinda stopped there. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?2953-GQ-front-wheel-bearing-numbers

I searched the part numbers on line - among other hits, there was this one - dunno how much confidence it inspires http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/450888755/SKF_KOYO_NTN_TIMKEN_LM501349_10.html

I have had absolutely no problems with service from the crowd I dealt with - but as I said, they are pretty close to home, and I turned up to collect the bits, and organise the second order of brake bits. Helped the mate do his ute with the same kit at the same time - no dramas for either of us, so far :-)

[Robo]

Opps I made a mistake,sorry.
Needle counts the same.:icon_bonk:
The length of the needle was the problem.
It still has the same end result, less support for the axle.

Ok then, been out the garage dug up the goods.
Here's all the correct info I can muster.
Now I had the nissan bearing for yrs.
The gen p/No might have changed on there system trying to fool ya into paying more.
but the old and new Koyo were the same parts "stamped" numbers.

Nissan p/No ------- 40588-C600.
nissan supply a KOYO bearing.
Koyo bearing------- BTM3516.
Ebay --------------- HK3516.
Needle count 28 ea.
Now the needles koyo 12mm long.
And ebay are---------- 10mm.
Doesn't sound much, but X 28 needles.
= 56 mm support difference.
see pictures and the support diff is very obvious
you make up your own mind.
gen koyo on the left in both pics.

Sorry again, was recalling something learnt years back about the bearings support and lack of rotation causing damage to axle and went pear shaped from there.
all better now.:icon_victory:
ps altered other post already

[Robo]

No nO nO NO NO not that one thats the wrong/bad 1 STOP maybe hahahahaha
Your a naughty man like me bro, lmao.

[Robo]

Thinking after looking at needles again, there's a little staining left showing on end of old needles.
this is probably caused by needles end rolling over a little wear and tear.
cause? proberly wheel bearings bit loose and or simply minimum flex play.
so 12mm support reduced to maybe 10mm.
now install 10mm bearing and same problem reduced to say 8mm.
Even more convinced koyo is the way so go.

[Silver]

Thanks Robo, appreciate the reasoned and helpful info, and for going to the trouble to dig it out.

Rick

[growler2058]

Really?........
Or are you just getting me back for the vy thread?

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Hahahahhahahahaha dunno ;-)


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[Robo]

the wobbles and blue bits makes me shudder

[Silver]

the wobbles and blue bits makes me shudder

Inadequate support from bearings, Robo? :-))

[Robo]

My thought's after re-looking at the old used needle bearing.
See in pics how there is staining orange deposit on the end of ea needle.
Well I recon the very ends have not truly carried any weight off axle for a while.
Possibly due to slight rock-n roll of needle bearing, I hope and not wear on axle.
If the bearing was true and flat then the needles should be clean over it's entire length one would presume.
Wheel bearings were a bit loose, causing a bit of flex at CV and needed replacing anyway.
So my idea is some of this flexing has transfered through to the needles
Sounds good to me.
That's a theory at least.

Wrote all that And then realised what you really meant.
have an excuse night shift worker awake all day

[Silver]

tough being a night shift worker when sleep is disturbed, Robo.

[Robo]

tough being a night shift worker when sleep is disturbed, Robo.

Yeah Silver pushing 17 yrs now of nights.
Not a morning person suits me just fine. HATE alarms.
days off a little hard to adjust, that's life.
Advantages are plenty.
get to play with big boys toys 7 days a-week.
well after lunch time and chores at least.