GU GVM upgrade

[NissanGQ4.2]

I am pretty confident if you got pulled over by a Scaley and tipped the scales at 3000 Kg (if GVM is 3040) and had 3 spare seats you cannot be given a bluey for being 200 Kg over GVM

I am pretty confident on your confidence that you are right on this one

[BillsGU]

That's the problem ET. This is all so complicated and most people don't have a hope of understanding it all. Even some in the industry don't have a clue. It gets even more complicated when you tow - especially when you have to derate your GVM if you go over your nominal towball weight! For example - you could be towing a caravan and when you get weighed your vehicle could be within the GVM, your van could be within the ATM, your van and vehicle could be within the GCM, your axle weights could be under, your towball down weight could be OK - but you may still be booked because you did not allow for the derating of your GVM due to the towball weight exeeding the nominal weight.

Figure that out!

[BigRAWesty]

I know...

I didn't think some of the other things you were told by that mob were quite right either

I'm not saying I'm right and they are wrong (I am actually but I am being polite today, I can apologise tomorrow) as it may simply be a context or whatever but I would def get a second opinion (or more)

I am pretty confident if you got pulled over by a Scaley and tipped the scales at 3000 Kg (if GVM is 3040) and had 3 spare seats you cannot be given a bluey for being 200 Kg over GVM

Yea I'm with you there..
That's sorta like a empty truck..
It has the capacity to carry 60T in its trailer. But you don't fill it to the top do you..

[Hodge]

I think there may be some confusion here. And "think" I know why.

ET is correct. Copper pulling someone over checking gvm isn't going to pretend there is a person sitting in each available seat.

What I think Mudski may have been told is because he's getting it engineered , so that way they have to simulate a person in each seat for brake test or whatever ...

My theory.

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[macca]

That's the problem ET. This is all so complicated and most people don't have a hope of understanding it all. Even some in the industry don't have a clue. It gets even more complicated when you tow - especially when you have to derate your GVM if you go over your nominal towball weight! For example - you could be towing a caravan and when you get weighed your vehicle could be within the GVM, your van could be within the ATM, your van and vehicle could be within the GCM, your axle weights could be under, your towball down weight could be OK - but you may still be booked because you did not allow for the derating of your GVM due to the towball weight exeeding the nominal weight.

Figure that out!

Talking to a vanning mate the other night, he thought I was blowing wind up his freckle when I told him that.
He is about to get a bigger van and said he couldn't put everything in the van he wanted so would load the extra in the tow vehicle. He doesn't believe me about that de-rating you posted.

[the evil twin]

I think there may be some confusion here. And "think" I know why.

ET is correct. Copper pulling someone over checking gvm isn't going to pretend there is a person sitting in each available seat.

What I think Mudski may have been told is because he's getting it engineered , so that way they have to simulate a person in each seat for brake test or whatever ...

My theory.

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I like your theory.
I think a lot of the misunderstandings are confusion arising from context.

[gaddy]

Talking to a vanning mate the other night, he thought I was blowing wind up his freckle when I told him that.
He is about to get a bigger van and said he couldn't put everything in the van he wanted so would load the extra in the tow vehicle. He doesn't believe me about that de-rating you posted.

My 19 ft van comes in at 3t , has a modified gvm up grade , with 140 kg ball weight , this allows me to carry extra water , fuel , tools etc in the van and not in the car , but does still not allow me to add any 1 of these , draws , long range tanks or rear bar or water to the car without going over , all we have in the car is the 4 of us and the 40lt engel ,

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[BillsGU]

Here is the table for a new Patrol:

Towball download Vehicle Mass

200kgs GVM (all models)

250kgs Reduce loaded vehicle mass below GVM by 150kgs

300kgs Reduce loaded vehicle mass below GVM by 220kgs

350kgs Reduce loaded vehicle mass below GVM by 290kgs

As you can see - the more the towball weight the lower your actual GVM is - PLUS - the towball weight is ALSO added to the total vehicle weight (the GVM).

Confused yet?

[BillsGU]

My 19 ft van comes in at 3t , has a modified gvm up grade , with 140 kg ball weight

In "theory" your towball weight is a bit low. For proper stabillity you usually should have around 10% of the towed weight on the towball.

[mudski]

I know...

I didn't think some of the other things you were told by that mob were quite right either

I'm not saying I'm right and they are wrong (I am actually but I am being polite today, I can apologise tomorrow) as it may simply be a context or whatever but I would def get a second opinion (or more)

I am pretty confident if you got pulled over by a Scaley and tipped the scales at 3000 Kg (if GVM is 3040) and had 3 spare seats you cannot be given a bluey for being 200 Kg over GVM

Yup. I have rung so many engineers lately its not funny. And pretty much every engineer has told me something different. I suppose its the way they interpret the rules to how they do their work. One even told me a 2inch lift needed to be engineered, and he then said, I guarantee it will fail. Lol. When I get some time I want to scour the ADR VSB14 again to find out more info.