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    Front lockers in a Gq Pro and Cons ?

    I have been told that the best set up is the rear LSD and front lockers, but lockers are only good for a straight line pull ? We want through a snaky very slippery run through some tree's where I would think you would need lockers but wouldn't you also lose steering through the turns, some don't like the lose of steering and said don't bother with front lockers thoughts?

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    In that scenario, autolockers wouldn't be the way to go. The ability to switch the locker on and off would give you a tight steering circle when required.

    I am saving up for an E-locker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudnut View Post
    In that scenario, autolockers wouldn't be the way to go. The ability to switch the locker on and off would give you a tight steering circle when required.

    I am saving up for an E-locker.
    If you haven't already driven with one, I think you may be surprised how much steering you get with an E-locker. A couple of times I've been on hills requiring 'commitment' , with rock steps, & twists & turns. Switched on the e-locker at the bottom & just drove up & around the twists & turns. Not the sort of terrain where stopping to switch off the e-locker was a consideration, especially with the Tvan in tow!

    Something I did learn since we've been away was in very tight stuff where maximum tightness of steering was required, was to change to 2wd to get around the obstacle in question. I suppose most people know that, but I'd never been told , or read, to do that. The leaf sprung GU utes do have a significantly larger turning circle than their coil sprung siblings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuppa View Post
    If you haven't already driven with one, I think you may be surprised how much steering you get with an E-locker. A couple of times I've been on hills requiring 'commitment' , with rock steps, & twists & turns. Switched on the e-locker at the bottom & just drove up & around the twists & turns. Not the sort of terrain where stopping to switch off the e-locker was a consideration, especially with the Tvan in tow!

    Something I did learn since we've been away was in very tight stuff where maximum tightness of steering was required, was to change to 2wd to get around the obstacle in question. I suppose most people know that, but I'd never been told , or read, to do that. The leaf sprung GU utes do have a significantly larger turning circle than their coil sprung siblings.
    Why would the e-locker be any different to the the air locker, one is electrical engagement and other is air, am I missing something ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by First Pooy View Post
    Why would the e-locker be any different to the the air locker, one is electrical engagement and other is air, am I missing something ?
    Probably not. I only commented on the E-locker 'cos that's the only locker I've ever used & that was what Mudnut had said he was saving for. That said I had learned before getting it about how lockers on the front axle make steering very heavy, & was pleasantly surprised at just how useable it actually is. Yes the steering is a bit heavier but it certainly doesn't feel like trying to turn something in treacle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuppa View Post
    If you haven't already driven with one, I think you may be surprised how much steering you get with an E-locker. A couple of times I've been on hills requiring 'commitment' , with rock steps, & twists & turns. Switched on the e-locker at the bottom & just drove up & around the twists & turns. Not the sort of terrain where stopping to switch off the e-locker was a consideration, especially with the Tvan in tow!

    Something I did learn since we've been away was in very tight stuff where maximum tightness of steering was required, was to change to 2wd to get around the obstacle in question. I suppose most people know that, but I'd never been told , or read, to do that. The leaf sprung GU utes do have a significantly larger turning circle than their coil sprung siblings.
    That is good first hand info. I was echoing what I was told by the local Patrol mechanic. He refuses to fit auto lockers.

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    If I had the spare cash I'd fit a locker in the front every day of the week. I don't really understand the concern. If you have the locker your rig will be that much more capable. If you're heading into a tight section where turning is more important than traction just flick it off.

    Just like picking a good line or the right gear. Sometimes you get it wrong and need to have a second crack.

    My old fourby was front and rear locked and I miss it all the time. I do remember flicking the lockers in and out on some tracks where I had to get around some pesky trees. I've not used one, but for the same reasons I wouldn't bother with an auto locker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuppa View Post
    If you haven't already driven with one, I think you may be surprised how much steering you get with an E-locker. A couple of times I've been on hills requiring 'commitment' , with rock steps, & twists & turns. Switched on the e-locker at the bottom & just drove up & around the twists & turns. Not the sort of terrain where stopping to switch off the e-locker was a consideration, especially with the Tvan in tow!

    Something I did learn since we've been away was in very tight stuff where maximum tightness of steering was required, was to change to 2wd to get around the obstacle in question. I suppose most people know that, but I'd never been told , or read, to do that. The leaf sprung GU utes do have a significantly larger turning circle than their coil sprung siblings.
    Not sure I understand what you mean Cuppa? Do you mean you put it in 2wd instead of turning off the elocker? Or your steering is tighter in 2wd than open front diff 4wd? That would surprise me a lot. I dont understand how this is possible actually.

    In relation to Traction and a front locker.... front locker rocks mate. Air Locker or E Locker is the same thing. Go for it. The fact you can punch it in and out is the whole idea.

    On a slippery hill you loose traction so the locker will let you steer. In tight low speed you can turn it on and off as you wish.

    My GU has a rebuilt LSD rear diff and an Air Locker in the front. The rear LSD does most of the work and the front only gets used when it is needed. Not much but bloody awesome when you push that button.

    I Vote LSD and Front Locker
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    @mudrunner Nothing to do with a locker. If the going gets very tight, putting the transfer lever into 2wd gives tighter steering than 4wd with hubs locked. (ie. no need to get out of car to unlock hubs). Try it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuppa View Post
    @mudrunner Nothing to do with a locker. If the going gets very tight, putting the transfer lever into 2wd gives tighter steering than 4wd with hubs locked. (ie. no need to get out of car to unlock hubs). Try it.
    Hmmmm? Seems odd. Will check it out for sure.
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