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Thread: Buying a lifted GU Patrol from a dealership, ride height question

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    OK, I will challenge this with the Vass engineer when I go in for the s/c certification as the 1" body lift, combined with springs has me sitting back on 31" tyres!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeeBee View Post
    OK, I will challenge this with the Vass engineer when I go in for the s/c certification as the 1" body lift, combined with springs has me sitting back on 31" tyres!
    Because you have a body lift, this might be why. Maybe ring Brett at 4x4 Obsession and ask him too. Just for a second opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudski View Post
    The link I provided is National. Not state specific. I studied this in detail when I went through the hassles of engineering. All forgotten about now.


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    So are ADR's but it doesn't stop states from interpreting them and or applying them slightly differently in some cases.

    Anyhow pg6 of the document you posted states that modifications can be made +-50mm of original ride height but any higher will require certification. 2in lift and 1in on tyres would be 3in higher than standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 0-TJ-0 View Post
    So are ADR's but it doesn't stop states from interpreting them and or applying them slightly differently in some cases.

    Anyhow pg6 of the document you posted states that modifications can be made +-50mm of original ride height but any higher will require certification. 2in lift and 1in on tyres would be 3in higher than standard.
    Yeah I can't remember to be honest. I just left it all up to the engineer when i got mine done.

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    Mines 4inch and road legal.


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    The problem with this though Mark is the OP is asking about a car in a Dealership second hand with no history. If it is Mod Plated then the whole thread is a mute question. But i doubt that very much. Your tangent kind of throws it out of whack.

    It is a Legal requirement for the mechanic providing the Road Worthy Certificate to ensure that it complies as he is singing it off. If in doubt then he is on the hook. If he passes it you have 30 days to challenge this and he is then obligated to make it comply regardless of cost. His incentive to Not sign something off is he doesn't want to pay for it. Ask the question. Ask the question of the RWC Mechanic. If he knows there is a question mark he will likely knock it back or make sure it is right as he will have to make good. If there is doubt then the Dealer should sort it out before the sale. If in doubt....... Walk away.

    Scenario : You buy the car, you drive down the road and get pulled over by the RTA or Police in the first 30 days and given an Unroadworthy for Lift. The Mechanic is on the Hook for the FIX. The Whole Fix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD View Post
    The problem with this though Mark is the OP is asking about a car in a Dealership second hand with no history. If it is Mod Plated then the whole thread is a mute question. But i doubt that very much. Your tangent kind of throws it out of whack.

    It is a Legal requirement for the mechanic providing the Road Worthy Certificate to ensure that it complies as he is singing it off. If in doubt then he is on the hook. If he passes it you have 30 days to challenge this and he is then obligated to make it comply regardless of cost. His incentive to Not sign something off is he doesn't want to pay for it. Ask the question. Ask the question of the RWC Mechanic. If he knows there is a question mark he will likely knock it back or make sure it is right as he will have to make good. If there is doubt then the Dealer should sort it out before the sale. If in doubt....... Walk away.

    Scenario : You buy the car, you drive down the road and get pulled over by the RTA or Police in the first 30 days and given an Unroadworthy for Lift. The Mechanic is on the Hook for the FIX. The Whole Fix.
    Thanks for the detailed response. The mechanic is heading there tomorrow morning for a thorough going over. I'll report back on anything that stands out. It's a blessing and a curse that the interpretation of the law seems so subjective, but that's true for more than just 4wd ride height.

    Either way, I'm not keen on buying a 4wd that will land me in the deep end which I'm trying to avoid by having a high clearance vehicle .



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    Quote Originally Posted by MudRunnerTD View Post
    The problem with this though Mark is the OP is asking about a car in a Dealership second hand with no history. If it is Mod Plated then the whole thread is a mute question. But i doubt that very much. Your tangent kind of throws it out of whack.

    It is a Legal requirement for the mechanic providing the Road Worthy Certificate to ensure that it complies as he is singing it off. If in doubt then he is on the hook. If he passes it you have 30 days to challenge this and he is then obligated to make it comply regardless of cost. His incentive to Not sign something off is he doesn't want to pay for it. Ask the question. Ask the question of the RWC Mechanic. If he knows there is a question mark he will likely knock it back or make sure it is right as he will have to make good. If there is doubt then the Dealer should sort it out before the sale. If in doubt....... Walk away.

    Scenario : You buy the car, you drive down the road and get pulled over by the RTA or Police in the first 30 days and given an Unroadworthy for Lift. The Mechanic is on the Hook for the FIX. The Whole Fix.
    I was referring to Phil's comment about his nephews engineered 4inch lifted GU. As for the OP. I'd be finding about what has been fitted first. I've seen new two inch lifts look higher that what they are only because its all new and the springs haven't had time to settle. Otherwise there is a "proper" way to measure the ride height, which the Victoria Police use, which would give you an indication of height other than just looking at it and thinking it height. Stock heights and how to measure will be on the interwebs somewhere....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mudski View Post
    I was referring to Phil's comment about his nephews engineered 4inch lifted GU. As for the OP. I'd be finding about what has been fitted first. I've seen new two inch lifts look higher that what they are only because its all new and the springs haven't had time to settle. Otherwise there is a "proper" way to measure the ride height, which the Victoria Police use, which would give you an indication of height other than just looking at it and thinking it height. Stock heights and how to measure will be on the interwebs somewhere....
    Thanks Mudski appreciate the input. Good point about the different size lifts appearing different depending on age and other factors.

    Got a pic of it for context. That's an image from the dealership. Might see if I can find the previous owner on any Facebook 4x4 pages since it was bought by the dealership locally (perth)

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    How it looks also depends on spring rates and load. I had to put the Toughdog 50mm springs in for my GVM upgrade but they're rated at 500 kgs in the rear so, without the caravan and loaded for travel, it looks like an 80mm lift. All loaded up, it looks like a 'good' 50mm lift.
    Toughdog sell it as 50mm.

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