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    i think it depends on the type of fwd you do , faster sand and mud - diff lock . slower steep and rock crawling - lower gearing . ideally - both if funds allow. lower gearing would help a lot especially if you fit larger tyres .

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    Quote Originally Posted by nipagu7 View Post
    i think it depends on the type of fwd you do , faster sand and mud - diff lock . slower steep and rock crawling - lower gearing . ideally - both if funds allow. lower gearing would help a lot especially if you fit larger tyres .
    Certainly both would compliment each other and in time may become a reality for me. Majority of my off road driving is high country not over difficult but on occasion seeking out new fishing spots, where what is ahead is not always predictable and generally find my LR gearing is too high(run 33s) and CRD. I rather have more low down torque and improved driveability at slower speed so reduction gearing would be an advantage with my setup.
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    Harrop Eaton ELocker Versus GU Family Wagon Auto Hubs

    Agree with nipagu7 mate!
    The type of slower more technical stuff you’re doing would unfortunately need both I’d suggest too.
    As soon as you slow the climbing rate down to a much more comfortable speed you will need enhanced traction due to your loss of momentum.
    Sand driving like we just did last summer found hours of shell grit patches up to the mouth of the Murray where LR reduction gears were just too low for the trucks there that had them.
    Mind you their 150rwkw+ trucks smashed it in HR but our old 100rwkw stocky family wagon had to sit pinging in 4th LR most of the last half of that days adventure.
    Front and rear air lockers through 63% custom reduction gears on my ute is a dream to drive up in our high country with how slow and comfortable it can go and like Cuppa kindly mentions a lot less damage can occur which is very reassuring and money saving too!

    Disclaimer: One scenario to seriously watch out for with LR reduction gears is slippery mud steep mountain descents. Too much reduction like needed on rock crawling can find your truck breaking traction downwards and completely running out of engine rpm to try and gain it back.
    You really do need to select your LR descent gear wisely in that scenario before committing downwards as changing gears say midway is never advisable in case you hit ‘Angel Gear’ (no gear and away you’re gone) !!

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    @MB what did you end up doing Mark with your lockers. Have a few copper coins collected and looking at doing front locker and 43% reduction gears (CRD stock diff 4.1 on 33s_135rwkw/500N-m).
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    ARB Air Lockers John Mate
    Our entire Hills Crew uses them and my ute too so made sense for spare parts sharing out there


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    Quote Originally Posted by MB View Post
    ARB Air Lockers John Mate
    Our entire Hills Crew uses them and my ute too so made sense for spare parts sharing out there


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    OK and did you install yourself or if U had it done, what sort of costs (unless much special discounted).

    Interested as expect special high $$$s up my way. Would be in Canberra most likely if choose not to travel.

    Plus any ideas for reduction gear install (transfer would be a heavy lift I guess).
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    Bought the locker and compressor on special combo direct from ARB about $1,200 IIRC.
    Installed the compressor under front passenger seat utilising existing bolt holes in the floor and an adapter homemade plate.
    Removed the front the diff in the shed and accidentally bastardised the new locker journal pressing the bearings on so took it to a specialist to clean it up and reinstalled all back at home in the shed.
    43% reduction gears would be a good choice I suggest, purchased 63% custom gears here and had Patrolapart install them in my 6.5 ute years ago but just a whisker too slow for my likings on the slow Chev grunter.


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    ARB combo special _ so guess compressor thrown in as a savings pretty well. Will research more on locker type that best suit me. Most likely get locker and 43% reduction installed at same time.

    Yeh was initially looking at 63% but have decided on 43% from reading around. Appreciate you suggesting same. Thanks Mark.
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    Welcome John Mate!
    It is hard to guesstimate how 43% on your higher reviving 3.0L with 4.1 diffs and 33’s will go but should be fine for your Kosciusko Trout needs
    Rossco is super happy with his new 43% reduction 4.2TDi through 4.6 diffs on 35’s.
    In saying that too AB still loves his 63% through same drive train and tyres as Ross.
    Definitely worth getting some quotes from a shop for install, IIRC Patrolapart charged me $400-500 a few years ago.
    All of Marks Patrol TC ratios do require some internal box carving/grinding to fit except for the 24% smaller gears that can fit straight in.
    Personally wouldn’t choose the 24% as heard it’s not enough reduction for the gnarly climbs.
    Cheers!



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    Would be nice to have good torque at 1200-1500rpm (even below) but not me. CRD does well these day but need up around 2000-2300RPM for confidence but motion is faster than like. Can hold on hauling well 500N-m @ 2000RPM 5th hwy(2wd of course).

    Other day, for example going down to camp was fine but coming up out 2nd LR near top (Rock top of pic), needed slow mo (or head bash in roof) and stalled so dropped back into washout 1st LR no problem. Always most of prefer to have at least 1 ratio below me. "Old SWB '75 FJ/3L N/A with stock gearing would have had it for breakfast".

    Thanks for install costs for ref and most likely Marks 43% will warrant rework of Transfer case.

    Looked at 63% (good slower traction) but think the 43% would give me near 1 gear extra lower. Guess places I go are unpredictable sometimes but do go forth with caution as most times only me(43 could be enough and eng won't scream out before needing HR)..
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