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30th June 2018, 08:49 AM
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Additionally, if you increase the hP into the drive train you increase the torque capability of the winch, which then is in excess if the gear train strength. Over time the shaft either breaks, the gears wear excessively and the bronze bugs elongates. At the end of the day the 8000lb is a fast winch built for a rating of 8000lbs max pull. I have owned 2 of them and found them a bit small for a loaded vehicle. Hence why I don't have one anymore.
If you go the bigger motor, run double pulls then I think you will have a moderate robust recovery winch that pulls at moderate amps, so the duty rating will go up. For me th bidets advantage of this winch is rope length and no tie bars across the drum to break. Going the stronger shaft is a good path also as you are going to reduce unit stress on the shaft, however if the winch is typically used say once every 3 yrs then I would probably go the tapped shaft route and gain a bit of certainty. Saying that, I used my 8000lb unit and never had a problem with the circlip.
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30th June 2018, 09:42 AM
#62
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So for us (me) high-mount-naive individuals ...
In layman's terms whats the pros with the high mount ???
From my limited understanding they can fit more rope on ( in contrast to a regular low mount ) and by its default state , it is 8000 pound and is meant for double rope pulls ?
So is it the spool speed on them that attracts such price and attention ?
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30th June 2018, 10:15 AM
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For me Hodgey mate yes! Faster and no rope bind up as Phil mentioned, they are great! Double line pulls are a slow PIA, here is a picture of 40LM of 11mm rope on the +76mm spool with the winch spaced back 10mm from bar, heaps of winding space left, even if angle winching. Did stuff the gears on an earlier stock one I owned and had to hold the free spool rod in manually every use thereafter.
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30th June 2018, 12:08 PM
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One of the biggest advantages of a high mount is the brake which is external and sooo much better than a low mount they just hold rock solid. Also don't have the problem of heat build up in the drum which isn't good for rope. Also the difference in having solid gear drive as opposed to planetary gears in a low mount is a big difference and advantage. Crazy the difference in a warn xd9000 low mount and a high mount both running the exact same 6hp warn motor high mounts just do it faster and easier must lose so much efficiency in the planetary gears i reckon.
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30th June 2018, 03:23 PM
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@MB no negativity sensed mate. I know what you are like and are always thinking of family and safety. As stated this will be a slow build up. If coin permits, I will go down the stronger brake shaft option for sure.
Now. How do I remove the brake shaft from the casing? Just knock in the shaft through the casing from the drum side?
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Good to see it’s never seen moisture in there too. All clean grease.
Also. Thinking of removing the gear from the top hat so I can clean it better. Just knock the shaft through the hat?
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30th June 2018, 04:10 PM
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The 4wd Shed did all mine mate, I keep a printed copy of this in the truck always!
http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/8274/
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30th June 2018, 04:26 PM
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You need to lift this locking plate up as 8r holds the end of the brake shaft. Then you cam lever out the shaft as it is only held by an oil seal then
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30th June 2018, 04:29 PM
#68
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This is what the plate looks like and it locks in the brake shaft and also the drum
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Originally Posted by
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Wish it was Nissan though, Toyotas just can't keep up with the Pootrol pace.
The only good thing about an 80 series is..... the front end?? Wrong!!, the Engine?? Wrong!! the Full Time 4WD system?? Wrong!! Its the NissanPatrol.com.au stubby holder fitted over the transfer lever.
WARNING: Towballs used for recoveries can, and do kill people and damage property.
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30th June 2018, 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by
Rossco
One of the biggest advantages of a high mount is the brake which is external and sooo much better than a low mount they just hold rock solid. Also don't have the problem of heat build up in the drum which isn't good for rope. Also the difference in having solid gear drive as opposed to planetary gears in a low mount is a big difference and advantage. Crazy the difference in a warn xd9000 low mount and a high mount both running the exact same 6hp warn motor high mounts just do it faster and easier must lose so much efficiency in the planetary gears i reckon.
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Whats the difference in the gear reduction of high mount to low mount? The planetary boxes are designed for minimal size but still give good strength. The teeth are similar in size from memory. The hi mount is renowned for line speed for sure, whereas the low mounts are slow but torquey, and yes there is a reduction in efficiency thru the planetary box, but I would not say the low mount box is a weakness. The higher line speed will result in higher amps if the gear reduction is not as great as the low mount, which I think we all know anyway.
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30th June 2018, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by
MudRunnerTD
This is what the plate looks like and it locks in the brake shaft and also the drum
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Also another free mod worth doing is bolting the plate to the housing to secure it a bit better. The only thing that holds it is it sitting in the groove in the upper housing, probably but fine just another extra sure mod to do. .
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