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Thread: Does 98 Octane petrol improve performance of 4.2 petrol GQ

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    Arfa,
    only small concern I have with your post

    run your engine on LPG - it has an octane equivalent of 110. = Runs hot with less power.

    mine NEVER overheated on Gas - because it was tuned for Gas Performance
    TB42 petrol - 93Kw
    TB42 Gas Performance - 96Kw

    was a far far better machine on Gas than on Petrol I can assure you
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    Yeah Bigcol ......Seems like a lot of the Patrols run better on gas than petrol. The 2 I've owned seem to run smoother. The previous TB42 had way less power on gas, but the new TB42E with impco gas seems to go great - don't know what it runs like on petrol yet, the pump is on my bench at the moment, it would idle sweet but just backfire and cough if you tried to drive it on petrol.
    I wasn't saying the Troll would overheat if you ran it on gas - just that engines running gas generally run hotter than running petrol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garett View Post
    my old laser went from 300km a tank on e10 to 500 km a tank on 98 with a msd 6al, coil, and timing and carby tune. it also hauled a$$. traction became the biggest problem
    That's a 66% improvement in fuel efficiency, and not to mention the significant power increase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfa Brayne View Post
    Yeah Bigcol ......Seems like a lot of the Patrols run better on gas than petrol. The 2 I've owned seem to run smoother. The previous TB42 had way less power on gas, but the new TB42E with impco gas seems to go great - don't know what it runs like on petrol yet, the pump is on my bench at the moment, it would idle sweet but just backfire and cough if you tried to drive it on petrol.
    I wasn't saying the Troll would overheat if you ran it on gas - just that engines running gas generally run hotter than running petrol.
    I turfed the standard fuel pump and put in an electric one
    as soon as you flicked from Gas to petrol, the pump started to pump

    mine was a 1989TB42 carby
    I had a Sprint Gas mixer on the top of the carby
    electronic ignition
    extended rotor
    silicone plug leads
    and lots of other goodies
    was tuned for Gas performance, as it would only go into Petrol once a week

    but I could switch from Gas to Petrol or Petrol to Gas on the move - alot of people seem to have trouble switching from one fuel to another
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arfa Brayne View Post
    I wasn't saying the Troll would overheat if you ran it on gas - just that engines running gas generally run hotter than running petrol.
    again, on the contrary, it used to run about 8* less on Gas than Petrol

    usually sat on about 85* on long runs in Gas
    and about 92-95* on petrol

    but as I said, it all depends on how its tuned, and who tunes them
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    That surprises me Col- very interesting.
    My first Troll was an 89 Auto TB42 , I don't remember what gas system was fitted but it had a venturi on top of the carby fed by twin vapor hoses. Also ran an electric shuttle pump when the original mechanical pump went- maninly because Nissan wanted over $300 for a new one and a Faucet pump was only $40
    Fitted HEI ignition , extended rotor, 4x prong plugs to deal with problems of engine "kicking" sporadically, ended up being resistance/dry joint in the main power feed wire near the fusible link beside the battery.
    Also made up an overide to use the auto box like a manual with a H pattern shifter and TC lockup. Went really well, but had considerably more power on petrol no matter how it was tuned. I think the lack of power came form tha gas converter not being big enough capacity for the 4.2 , but really only ever used the petrol as a backup for when the gas tank went dry.
    "Can't" is a dirty 4 letter word.
    Best way to deal with a "Can't" is to chop off the "t" and brew it in boiled water for a few minutes.
    Sip on the "t", and consider what you've got left to work with

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    just found this - sorry Arfa


    Quote Originally Posted by Arfa Brayne View Post
    That surprises me Col- very interesting.
    My first Troll was an 89 Auto TB42 , I don't remember what gas system was fitted but it had a venturi on top of the carby fed by twin vapor hoses. Also ran an electric shuttle pump when the original mechanical pump went- maninly because Nissan wanted over $300 for a new one and a Faucet pump was only $40
    sounds like the old "ring" for the gas - sat on top of the carby, under the air filter -
    similar to this
    63mm-LPG-CNG-gas-Mixer-for-autogas-conversion-tradtional-system-in-gasoline-EFI-or-carburetor-Ca.jpg

    the Sprint Gas type looks like this
    Sprint Gas.jpg

    Quote Originally Posted by Arfa Brayne View Post
    I think the lack of power came form tha gas converter not being big enough capacity for the 4.2
    interesting that you say that
    I had an MQ/MK with the L28 6cylinder motor - it was constantly starving for Gas under loads, until I put in a bigger convertor
    and when I brought my GQ - I told my Mech to up-grade the convertor - as a TB42 is a B I G engine (compared to the Ford 4.0L & Commodore 3.8) - which he did, and I never had any more problems with it
    I also think the mixer on the Carby has a lot to do with how well they run

    some of the problems I encounted with trying to get the Gas tuned can only be answered by the fact the Mechanic did not know as much as he thought

    went to one "Gas Specialist" to get a tune up, (no petrol in the car at all) come back later - the Bill has $10 for petrol on it - what for....? so we could tune it............ ummmm your a Gas Mech - its a Gas car I want it tuned for Gas - oh, but most people dont notice...... well I did, and as far as I am concerned I am not paying ANY of the bill, as you did nothing that I wanted done

    went to another "Gas Specialist", parked it under his sign out the front
    come back 4 hours later -
    Cars ready - no its not, its not been moved, - yes it has, - no it has not, - yes it has - why do you say nothing has been done - well, I do have the keys in my pocket - because I forgot to leave them, and its still locked and parked where I left it.........
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    Hmmm - "Gas Specialist"....... yeah, Col

    "A self proclaimed Expert is someone who hasn't learnt enough to realize how little they know"

    Or as my dear Mum always says " X is an unknown quantity, and SPURT is a drip under pressure"
    "Can't" is a dirty 4 letter word.
    Best way to deal with a "Can't" is to chop off the "t" and brew it in boiled water for a few minutes.
    Sip on the "t", and consider what you've got left to work with

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    @Bigcol I ran that new generator mixer on my 650 4 barrel powered chev troopy
    Trouble was it only feed gas to the back two barrels , we farted around with and
    ended up getting fuel to all 4 barrels, Blew away most 4x4s and was a sheep in
    wolfs clothing, I also found having the open air filter a pain in the butt with water
    crossing and dust. I have my mates at the airport make a sheild for the front to
    protect the air filter from muck, worked a treat.In the end I brought an early Holden
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    petrol consumption for 4.2.

    Quote Originally Posted by threedogs View Post
    @Bigcol I ran that new generator mixer on my 650 4 barrel powered chev troopy
    Trouble was it only feed gas to the back two barrels , we farted around with and
    ended up getting fuel to all 4 barrels, Blew away most 4x4s and was a sheep in
    wolfs clothing, I also found having the open air filter a pain in the butt with water
    crossing and dust. I have my mates at the airport make a sheild for the front to
    protect the air filter from muck, worked a treat.In the end I brought an early Holden
    air filter
    I have just got a 4.2 gq and went to cape york.was pulling a trailer and was using 3 kls per litre.Are they usualy this thirsty?

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