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29th May 2020, 06:03 PM
#11
Travelling Podologist
Originally Posted by
MudRunnerTD
Nah i reckon that is Oregon for sure mate the grain is way to stringy for Pine, pine is a broader grain. That second pic is classic Oregon rot. When you say "Milled" do you mean Dressed? or rough sawn?
Dunno, I wouldn't call it dressed, but perhaps that's the correct term - the 'mini corrugated' finish on the two rotten pieces, commonly seen on pine.
I believe there are two sorts of Oregon. Years ago it was a very durable timber which would stand up to weather for many years, but the oregon today is of a similar colour but a totally different timber (?Douglas Fir?). I built some external steps with the stuff & they rotted out within 3 to 4 years.
I also thought that todays treated pine was somewhat health friendlier that the old arsenic based treated pine (blue instead of green).?
I must admit when I saw 'bench', I thought 'work bench'.
For an outdoor 'bench seat' I think your redgum sleeper idea sounds good.
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29th May 2020, 06:13 PM
#12
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There are two types of treated pine, have a look at this site for a quick explanation http://gtpine.com.au/other_information/cca_or_acq
Having a good supply here we’ve used heaps of both around the families properties. Mostly ACQ for anything that’s for the kids or sat on and CCA for pergolas, retaining walls etc. ACQ is more expensive for sure.
There is a bitumen based paint to put on any parts the are in ground, can’t be bothered going out in the cold to check the name
Our pergolas have been up about 18 years and no issues at all, same with the retaining wall. We did replace the balcony with structural treated pine as the oregon turned to crap within about seven years.
If you’re going to paint it then do it before you put it in place.
Edit:
Just saw Cuppa’s post. In Australia about thirty years ago we imported lots of Oregon from the forests damaged by the Mount Saint Helens volcano eruption in Washington. This was found to have issues and rotted quite quickly. Plenty of pergolas were built with it as it was cheap for a reason.
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29th May 2020, 09:29 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by
jay see
Hi mate, i was actually considering coming out your way and grabbing those bits off you sunday if your around and maybe swinging past @MudRunnerTD s house to deliver them. happy to take a look when im around if your going to be home?
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29th May 2020, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by
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Hi mate, i was actually considering coming out your way and grabbing those bits off you sunday if your around and maybe swinging past @
MudRunnerTD s house to deliver them. happy to take a look when im around if your going to be home?
Shouldn't be a problem, you do know that he's about 3/4 to an hour away from me. With soccer starting soon I'm sure I'll be going that way for a game, I could drop it off then. Just another option.
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29th May 2020, 10:59 PM
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i know mate but he has my trailer and i need it back =P
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30th May 2020, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by
jack
In Australia about thirty years ago we imported lots of Oregon from the forests damaged by the Mount Saint Helens volcano eruption in Washington. This was found to have issues and rotted quite quickly. .
That would tie in with when I built the steps which subsequently rotted out quickly
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30th May 2020, 03:10 PM
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the rotten timber is standard pine commonly used for house framing there are many spiecies of pine and yes some do look alot like oregon, the milled finish is known as laser cut. if you read the stamps on it when it was new it would have been likely stamped laserframe mgp10.
for the rebuild either treated pine of which there are many types but if its going to be in the weather it needs to be at least a h3 rating for above ground or h4 rating if in contact with the ground also note if you really want it to last you need to retreat any cuts you make as most treated pine avaliable in vic these days is LOSP type treatment which doesnt penetrate right to the centre of the board. the good news is you can buy losp treatment in tins just like paint. any treated pine should have a small tage on the end of the board telling you what the tereatment type is, cca tends to have a green tinge to the timber while losp is visually difficult to notice a difference but typically has a oily feel and turps/kero type smell
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30th May 2020, 07:37 PM
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Thanks for all the info guys.
One option is to turn the area into a veggie patch with a sitting area in the middle. If I do that I'll probably brick it.
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28th June 2020, 04:36 PM
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Well I made a start here.
Knocked it all down and going to start again. Don't think I will do the veggie patch here, doesn't get any sun at all.
Week starting July 6 I'm on a 3 day week, so I might as well do something constructive.
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12th July 2020, 03:40 PM
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