Help? Towing - ball weights and reduce gvm?

[BillsGU]

WTF I use 2 work at a public weighbridge and could do that for like 10 bucks, although that was about 10 years ago but still can't be 75 bucks worth, I would find a local public weighbridge and stay clear of Peddlers if I was you

Yep - too right. Our local council tip does it for free. There are some tripple weigh bridges around (BP Barnawartha is one that I know of) that measure front axel, rear axel and trailer weight all at once and then calculate the rest for you. They are only around the $35 mark. $75 is a joke.

[Melandmatt86]

FROM NISSAN TODAY...


Good afternoon Melanie,

As discussed, please see below scenario regarding your towing capacity.

Example:

If your tow ball down is 350kgs, you will need to reduce your GVM (3060kg) by 290kgs.

There is no requirement for you to reduce the tow ball download weight from your GVM once your GVM has been reduced.

Please ensure that your present the vehicle to a weigh bridge to ensure that you are compliant with road rules.


Kind Regards





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[BillsGU]

That makes perfect sense - NOT! That goes against everything I have read and have been told - including common sense.

[the evil twin]

Nah it all works out...

Assume you have a Trailer of 3500 ATM with 10% ball load.
Assume a Patrol loaded to 3060 GVM.
3060 GVM + 3500 Braked Towing capacity means a GCM of 6560
(Under ADR's a vehicle GCM unless otherwise stated by Manuf is the sum of GVM and manuf stated towing capacity)

You decide you want to now tow the Trailer alas your 350 Kg ball weight means GVM now decreases by 290 and GCM therefore becomes 6270 (2770 new GVM + 3500 same ATM).

So you take 290 out of the 'Trol which is now loaded to 2770 and connect up and go to weighbridge.

Your 'new" GCM is 6270 and the weighbridge will show a weight of 6270.
Made up of Patrol 2770, Tow ball load 350, GTM of 3150 or if you prefer Patrol 2770 and 3500 ATM

You have met your new reduced GVM
You are not towing an overloaded Trailer as it is still the same ATM
You have not exceeded Towball weight
Your Rig is not over GCM
You have not exceeded your towing capacity

God is in his heaven and all is right with the world :-)

[MB]

Awesome information Gents thank you truly! Not sure how to explain this all to Mrs MB with her Equine collection habit. To be honest varying run weights mathematics I struggle computing too. Is there any reasonably priced available weight/scale pads on the market to home test before departure? Cheers!



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[PeeBee]

Awesome information Gents thank you truly! Not sure how to explain this all to Mrs MB with her Equine collection habit. To be honest varying run weights mathematics I struggle computing too. Is there any reasonably priced available weight/scale pads on the market to home test before departure? Cheers!



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So MB, you find a reasonably priced scale, Mrs MB loads up the nags and finds them 50kg over - what do you expect her to do - trim some horse off? Drive naked, leave the spare wheel at home? Interesting challenge I think you are setting yourself!!!

[MB]

Touche Ol Chap! Douche to relieve the Crap :-( !


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[MB]

We’re gonna need a bigger boat!
https://youtu.be/2I91DJZKRxs
“All 3.0+T’s of him” :-)


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[BillsGU]

OK - so my Patrol is a bit over the GVM (not towing anything). So I make up a box, remove the towball and bolt the box to the tow eye (the worse possible place to hang excess weight). I then take 350kg of crap out of the Patrol and put it in the box. Magically it now only weighs 290kg. Talk about loaves and fishes. I'm sure the scalies will be amused when they pull me up to weigh me and I tell them that story.

Err - ET. Looking at your calculations - if they pull you up to weigh you and put the scales under the Patrol's wheels only (to measure its GVM) - it will show your "new" GVM plus the download on the towball (2770+350) - which gives a total GVM of 3120 - which is over the limit. And we haven't even discussed maximum rear axel loading.

I'm going to have a LARGE scotch and then go to bed.

[the evil twin]

Err - ET. Looking at your calculations - if they pull you up to weigh you and put the scales under the Patrol's wheels only (to measure its GVM) - it will show your "new" GVM plus the download on the towball (2770+350) - which gives a total GVM of 3120 - which is over the limit. And we haven't even discussed maximum rear axel loading.

Perhaps I have used a bad example s it was an unrated GCM but I thought working with the numbers given would assist... my bad... as when a trailer is connected the rig becomes a combination and has to comply with GCM.