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22nd September 2017, 11:52 PM
#11
Patrol Guru
Yep. If the trailers over 2T.
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22nd September 2017 11:52 PM
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23rd September 2017, 12:02 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by
dom14
Does that mean the trailers also legally suppose to have a system to automatically apply brakes if the trailer breaks away?
Yep... wot Firm said X2 (I included your post as a quote 'cause it was on the prev page)
All Vans, Trailers etc etc over 2,000 Kg gross will have a dedicated onboard battery for eleccy brakes or an onboard resovoir for air or an eleccy hyd pump if hydraulic and appropriate controllers so if the trailer disconnects the brakes are applied.
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23rd September 2017, 03:55 AM
#13
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Originally Posted by
the evil twin
Yep... wot Firm said X2 (I included your post as a quote 'cause it was on the prev page)
All Vans, Trailers etc etc over 2,000 Kg gross will have a dedicated onboard battery for eleccy brakes or an onboard resovoir for air or an eleccy hyd pump if hydraulic and appropriate controllers so if the trailer disconnects the brakes are applied.
Yeah, that law makes sense considering the weight of a vehicle.
I guess the only way to tow a Patrol with a Patrol is to have a 'driver' in the towed vehicle.
That fits in with my scenario anyway 'cos only time I would consider it is in the outback where professional
towing would cost more than the vehicles value.
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23rd September 2017, 12:19 PM
#14
I am he, fear me
Originally Posted by
dom14
Yeah, that law makes sense considering the weight of a vehicle.
I guess the only way to tow a Patrol with a Patrol is to have a 'driver' in the towed vehicle.
That fits in with my scenario anyway 'cos only time I would consider it is in the outback where professional
towing would cost more than the vehicles value.
Ahhh, Ok, I am with ya now.
That is where the solid bar arrangement Pee Bee mentions or an A frame off the recovery points or whatever might be handy.
Keep in mind that if the engine is disabled on the towed vehicle it won't have power steering or braking so you would need Arnie in its driver seat.
Under tow with a rope or strap the action of the towed vehicle is isolated to a great degree from the tug.
With a mechanical attachment the towed vehicle will be shunting the tug downhill or under deceleration and also trying to jack knife it at every turn
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23rd September 2017, 01:44 PM
#15
Patrol Freak
You can buy a complete "A" frame set with all the attachments, braking set up and rear light harness from the larger caravan and motor home dealers. They are not cheap - but they comply to AS and will work first time.
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23rd September 2017, 03:07 PM
#16
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Originally Posted by
BillsGU
You can buy a complete "A" frame set with all the attachments, braking set up and rear light harness from the larger caravan and motor home dealers. They are not cheap - but they comply to AS and will work first time.
True... esp the not cheap part... and the vehicle that will be under tow needs some modifications as well (unless you are only off roading of course).
If you go unbraked the Tug must be over 3 times the tare of the vehicle being flat towed which is why some nomads opt for a trailer rather than an A frame setup unless you opt for a heap of extra bucks to enable to the vehicle under tow braking
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media...rameTowing.pdf
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24th September 2017, 10:16 AM
#17
Patrol Freak
Originally Posted by
the evil twin
True... esp the not cheap part... and the vehicle that will be under tow needs some modifications as well (unless you are only off roading of course).
If you go unbraked the Tug must be over 3 times the tare of the vehicle being flat towed which is why some nomads opt for a trailer rather than an A frame setup unless you opt for a heap of extra bucks to enable to the vehicle under tow braking
http://www.transport.wa.gov.au/media...rameTowing.pdf
Yep - that's one of the reasons you see so many Suzuki Jimmys being towed behind motor homes. Another problem with the A frames (so one user told me), there is no way you can reverse. If you get stuck somewhere, you have to disconnect and drive the car out separately.
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24th September 2017, 11:41 AM
#18
Patrol Guru
When towing with an A frame as pictured you don't lock the steering - it just follows the vehicle towing it , the wheels steer themselves as the vehicle starts to turn , hard to believe unless you've seen it 1st hand - I didn't believe it would work either until The 1st time a tow truck hooked my semi up & left the steer wheels on the ground I thought he'd lost the plot but it works . Same with cars behind motor homes etc .
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24th September 2017, 01:27 PM
#19
Patrol Freak
Originally Posted by
Sprock
When towing with an A frame as pictured you don't lock the steering - it just follows the vehicle towing it , the wheels steer themselves as the vehicle starts to turn , hard to believe unless you've seen it 1st hand - I didn't believe it would work either until The 1st time a tow truck hooked my semi up & left the steer wheels on the ground I thought he'd lost the plot but it works . Same with cars behind motor homes etc .
That's right. With the Suzuki's they have to disable the ignition lock or leave the key in it. I suppose the castor of the front wheels helps them follow the towing vehicle.
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24th September 2017, 03:14 PM
#20
Legendary
Originally Posted by
BillsGU
Yep - that's one of the reasons you see so many Suzuki Jimmys being towed behind motor homes. Another problem with the A frames (so one user told me), there is no way you can reverse. If you get stuck somewhere, you have to disconnect and drive the car out separately.
If it is a towball kinda setup that allows the vehicle under tow to turn freely then it would be ok I imagine.
I think Pee Bee's idea of using a steel pipe is the simplest but this means we still need to be prepared welding necessary bits
to the each end of the pipe, so it can be attached to the tow bar and the front tow point on the bullbar or any other tow point just under the front of the vehicle. Am I right?
If I get a piece of steel pipe or a bar and modify each ends that should do it?
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