Thanks Chris, always good to get some quality objective feedback. I think every bit of gear out there has its range of 'sweet spot' and generally delivers well. I don't think there is a bad bit of cooking gear, just sometimes the recipe is mismatched or the cook forgets to do the cookin' and starts the drinkin'. So assume the weber is gas fired, from the bottom only compared to solid fuel source from top and bottom, maybe thats where it went off track. Anyway, I bet you still at 'em!!!