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2nd December 2014, 11:24 PM
#11
Moderator
Originally Posted by
mudski
This I would assume would include light bars. So then this means roof mounted is a no go. But one could argue using the requirement above the highlighted cooment, saying the roof is as far as possible I can mount the light bar...
I would not read that bold section as meaning Roof Lights were covered there at all mate, far too ambiguous. I have read previously where it stated directly that Roof Lights were illegal and should be covered. No light above the bonnet or Eye height of the driver as there was a risk of roof lights shining over a rise in the road that the driver can not see over and blinding on coming. It was very specific, if I tried hard enough I could find the reference I reckon.
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Dung Beetle
Wish it was Nissan though, Toyotas just can't keep up with the Pootrol pace.
The only good thing about an 80 series is..... the front end?? Wrong!!, the Engine?? Wrong!! the Full Time 4WD system?? Wrong!! Its the NissanPatrol.com.au stubby holder fitted over the transfer lever.
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2nd December 2014 11:24 PM
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2nd December 2014, 11:35 PM
#12
Originally Posted by
MudRunnerTD
I would not read that bold section as meaning Roof Lights were covered there at all mate, far too ambiguous. I have read previously where it stated directly that Roof Lights were illegal and should be covered. No light above the bonnet or Eye height of the driver as there was a risk of roof lights shining over a rise in the road that the driver can not see over and blinding on coming. It was very specific, if I tried hard enough I could find the reference I reckon.
I would not either. They are referring to lamps, which would include lightbars. Not a "roof light" as such. And if it not in a pair, they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle... So if you had two smaller lightbars you could fit it on the roof, side by side, as it would be a pair. So even if you had one Narva Bull Lamp and fitted to the roof, you cannot. As its not in a pair. Fit two up there, and look like a real cock, yeah maybe.
Thats how I read it anyway.
Last edited by mudski; 2nd December 2014 at 11:40 PM.
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2nd December 2014, 11:36 PM
#13
Expert
I would take this as referring to roof, how else could the driver see a reflection.
"The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection."
As for the problem at a crest of the road with roof mounted LED blinding on coming traffic my HID driving lights would be worst. We only have to dip our lights at 200 meters. (I get flashed from other cars that are 2 to 3 Km away) LED light bar do not have the range of HID.
Last edited by janderson; 2nd December 2014 at 11:47 PM.
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2nd December 2014, 11:59 PM
#14
so another topic that is going to go on merely due to interpretation...lol
Certain constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars. These include that the LED light bars must be fitted symmetrically to the vehicle and must not exceed a total of four lamps.
"As Victoria’s in-service vehicle standards mirror the Australian Design Rule requirements this decision means that LED light bars can be fitted to vehicles in Victoria. Constraints remain on the fitment of LED light bars, so any LED light bar that is fitted must be installed in alignment with the following requirements:"
"The lamps should, as far as is possible, be installed symmetrically in pairs to the front of the vehicle. .. ("as far as is possible" !)
If lamps are not fitted as pairs (e.g. one, three etc), they must be fitted to the front of the vehicle, symmetrically about the centre. ("must be fitted to the front of the vehicle" )
A maximum of four driving lamps (including LED light bars) can be fitted to a vehicle in addition to the vehicle’s main beam headlamps.
The lamp/s must be installed in a way that the light produced does not cause the driver of the vehicle discomfort either directly or by reflection." ( you could play with this one forever but it will come down to their interpretation of it !...I would think they mean above the bonnet line on the front and potentially causing any reflection on the bonnet from above)
To me...it seems that you can not at this stage , have them on the roof....but who really cares ?
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3rd December 2014, 12:02 AM
#15
Moderator
It says they must be fitted in pairs or symmetrically located about the centre.
My roof light is mounted over the B Pillar and in no way reflects off the bonnet, if it was over the A pillar then almost certainly it would though.
Interesting debate, will be good to see some adoption, the Police in Victoria are hitting the bloody hard at the moment.
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....... I'm a lucky bugger! I've got 2 of em!
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Originally Posted by
Rogue Dung Beetle
Wish it was Nissan though, Toyotas just can't keep up with the Pootrol pace.
The only good thing about an 80 series is..... the front end?? Wrong!!, the Engine?? Wrong!! the Full Time 4WD system?? Wrong!! Its the NissanPatrol.com.au stubby holder fitted over the transfer lever.
WARNING: Towballs used for recoveries can, and do kill people and damage property.
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3rd December 2014, 07:18 AM
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Patrol God
When SA passed a trial law for the light bars it was clear no one new about it.
My dad was about to pay a defect off for his light bar until I sent him a copy of what was posted here.
He submitted the copy, they said sorry and removed the canary.
Anyway. I guess it's the same as always. Push the boundaries as hard as your personally willing to go
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3rd December 2014, 08:00 AM
#17
Patrol God
I folded a piece of checker plate [alloy] and that clips over the bar in the middle.
I read it as if not mounted in pairs,, mount it as close to the centre as you can,
which I [we] have done
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17th December 2014, 03:40 PM
#18
Expert
Originally Posted by
MudRunnerTD
Interesting. They did not mention the Roof mounting? The statement about obscuring the drivers view would pin any LED mounted above the top rail of the bull bar and above the line of the bonnet. But no mention of Roof lights.
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It would seem that they can be mounted on the roof.
Last edited by janderson; 17th December 2014 at 05:03 PM.
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17th December 2014, 03:57 PM
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CERTIFIABLY INSANE
Be worth printing that out and keeping it in the glovebox
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17th December 2014, 04:26 PM
#20
Expert
Originally Posted by
Drewboyaus
Be worth printing that out and keeping it in the glovebox
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