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    It also mentions on page 145 of the RMS Road Users Handbook

    Driving in hazardous weather conditions.
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    Gotta love the ex Telstra trucks. Lights come on 'automatically' after about 10 secs of ignition on, and go off about 10 secs after ignition off.

    To be able to use the high beam, you have to switch the lights from the 'off' position to the 'on' position, other than that, the headlights automatically come on when in the 'off' position.

    I'm not a fan of using 'parking lights' whilst driving - at all. Parking lights are for use when parked, not driving.
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    I understand what you fellars are saying completely.
    It sorta make sence and I respect your right to have your say

    hazard lights are now having 2 meanings.
    there is NO ROOM for two meanings to signals.
    this make things confusing and potentially a life threatening situation.
    proberly the exact reasons why it's not law

    is it a breakdown on the side of the rd.
    or someone still in the lane going slow.
    now if it's a break down you can pass no problem.
    we all know that's what 99.9% of us would do hay!.
    now its a car in the lane going slow, so 99.9% of us are now swerving to go around,
    either,
    into oncoming traffic, off a cliff, into guard rail, think you get it.
    another case, here comes a multi trailer truck 80 + tonne .
    think it would slow down simply because it sees a couple of flashing lights!.
    he just thinks the above or a few vehicles changing lanes ahead
    nar you just became its new front hood icon.
    we all know they don't slow down rain hail or shine do they.

    if we are driving down the rd into fog we don't need the added distraction of lights flashing.
    a number of vehicles would make a curtain of flashing light making it even harder to see, work out what's what in front of you.
    you already know your in the fog and need to slow down how in the heck is more light bouncing around going to help!.

    we are all in to much of a hurry these days,
    never leave enough time to get where we are going.
    we simply need to slow down when needed.
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    Headlights in the wet

    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    I understand what you fellars are saying completely.
    It sorta make sence and I respect your right to have your say

    hazard lights are now having 2 meanings.
    there is NO ROOM for two meanings to signals.
    this make things confusing and potentially a life threatening situation.
    proberly the exact reasons why it's not law

    is it a breakdown on the side of the rd.
    or someone still in the lane going slow.
    now if it's a break down you can pass no problem.
    we all know that's what 99.9% of us would do hay!.
    now its a car in the lane going slow, so 99.9% of us are now swerving to go around,
    either,
    into oncoming traffic, off a cliff, into guard rail, think you get it.
    another case, here comes a multi trailer truck 80 + tonne .
    think it would slow down simply because it sees a couple of flashing lights!.
    he just thinks the above or a few vehicles changing lanes ahead
    nar you just became its new front hood icon.
    we all know they don't slow down rain hail or shine do they.

    if we are driving down the rd into fog we don't need the added distraction of lights flashing.
    a number of vehicles would make a curtain of flashing light making it even harder to see, work out what's what in front of you.
    you already know your in the fog and need to slow down how in the heck is more light bouncing around going to help!.

    we are all in to much of a hurry these days,
    never leave enough time to get where we are going.
    we simply need to slow down when needed.
    m2cw.
    My view is hazard light equal just that, a hazard. Should be slowing down to check it out regardless of what you think it might be....


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    Headlights in the wet

    From the website Mc97gq posted,
    Driving in snow section
    "What lights do I need?
    Check all lights - low and high beams, tail stop, reversing and driving lights. Yellow tinted fog lights can assist in misty conditions. These should be mounted low, near the road surface and not focussed high. High beam will cause a "white out" effect in fog so use low beam only.

    Also check interior and map lights are working and take along a powerful flash light or spot light for reading sign posts and recognising landmarks in unfamiliar territory."
    Driving in hazardous conditions
    "Headlights
    Must be switched on when driving between sunset and sunrise
    When there is not enough daylight to be able to see a person wearing dark clothing at a distance of 100 metres."
    Extreme conditions
    Heavy rain, fog or snow - put your headlights onto low beam. High beam in fog will reflect the light, making it difficult to see.
    In hazardous conditions, the law permits you to turn on your hazard lights to help others see you."

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    Headlights in the wet

    Quote Originally Posted by Robo View Post
    I understand what you fellars are saying completely.
    It sorta make sence and I respect your right to have your say

    hazard lights are now having 2 meanings.
    there is NO ROOM for two meanings to signals.
    this make things confusing and potentially a life threatening situation.
    proberly the exact reasons why it's not law

    is it a breakdown on the side of the rd.
    or someone still in the lane going slow.
    now if it's a break down you can pass no problem.
    we all know that's what 99.9% of us would do hay!.
    now its a car in the lane going slow, so 99.9% of us are now swerving to go around,
    either,
    into oncoming traffic, off a cliff, into guard rail, think you get it.
    another case, here comes a multi trailer truck 80 + tonne .
    think it would slow down simply because it sees a couple of flashing lights!.
    he just thinks the above or a few vehicles changing lanes ahead
    nar you just became its new front hood icon.
    we all know they don't slow down rain hail or shine do they.

    if we are driving down the rd into fog we don't need the added distraction of lights flashing.
    a number of vehicles would make a curtain of flashing light making it even harder to see, work out what's what in front of you.
    you already know your in the fog and need to slow down how in the heck is more light bouncing around going to help!.

    we are all in to much of a hurry these days,
    never leave enough time to get where we are going.
    we simply need to slow down when needed.
    m2cw.
    The point i'm trying to make is the same as driving with your lights on low visibility conditions, you need to make other road users know you are there more so in zero visibility conditions like fog. Driving in fog is hazardous thats why the law states you can drive with hazard lights on and if you were driving thru fog and saw a car driving with its hazard lights on you will understand what i mean!!

    On the Woods points trip we did, in the morning i was driving thru extremely dense fog i honestly couldn't see past my bonnet i had my hazards on and i past 2 other cars, 1 was a tow truck that saw my lights flashing and then turned on his hazards and flashing lights. Luck for both of us because of the conditions we where both in the middle of the road, as we past each other i looked at his head lights and i could barely see them and his tail lights at a meters distance but the amber/orange lights could be seen from 50m.
    I could go on forever but i will leave it at this, drive to survive so make yourself visible to other road users!!!

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    Robo,

    What we are saying is not old wives tales, and mate I know the roads(F3, Pacific Hwy) you are talking about.

    Mate, I commuted between Newwie and Sydney when the F3 ran from Peats Ridge to Berowra, and it still had a toll.

    When you are in a total white out, the more lights to make your presence known the better.

    The point that is trying to be made and I'm a big advocate for it, is when it's overcast, rainy or just crap weather throw on the headlights.

    When it is absolutely abyssmal , turn on every light you can.

    And if you do have your hazard's on and some dope runs off the road because they are not driving to the conditions, mate you are blameless, you tried your best.

    Just some thoughts

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    I have to agree with Mark on this one. Last year I went on a bike ride north. Coming back it was pissing rain, wind and fog. Everyones visors were fogging up and very hard to see. I had a electric windscreen on my bike so was able to see and with hazards on the rest of the crew were able to see me and get through safety. Plus idiots in cars could also see.

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    I completely understand.
    a hazard is a hazard.
    your trying to be more visible all good I see your point.
    I'm just trying to put a point of view across, not everyone thinks the same way.
    yes trying to stand out is always a good idea

    but the thing is, your also trying to maintain a higher speed, by using the hazard lights.
    the first thing that should be happening is to slow down further.
    a pair of lights that main purpose is another purpose, isn't the answer.

    it may also contributed to an accident, as clear signals are not necessarily given.
    we cant have people doing three different things with the same lights.
    bet you wont have time to turn hazards off and then indicate,
    I back your idea of increasing safety.
    I'm the guy who see's first hand these things go pear shaped you don't want to see what I see.
    I to have a family, drive and look at this from all points of view, including the aftermath.

    Giving this more thought, hows this.
    I'm simply putting it forward that the old idea of using hazard lights is simply, an old out-dated idea.

    Car manufactures in Australia need to include a rear fog light as standard, on all model cars they make.
    they can include blue tooth, multiple expensive air bags , multi spear packages etc.
    But not a simple and CHEAP safety device.

    Forget the argument not all places have fog.
    not all places flood either, but flood insurance is now a law.
    seat belts were made standard and fitted to all cars
    not everyone will have an accident, so the seat belt does what.

    Now if it was that simple you would think our insurances company's would push it, not all places have fog, and replacing a light damaged in an accident in clear weather, which is the norm, cuts corporate profit and managements bonuses.
    it always comes down to the bottom line and safety is always left wanting!!.

    We need a new Australian standard.
    Bright Red Fog light made mandatory, for all vehicles sold in Australia.
    and an up grade fitted to vehicles on our Rd's in say a 2 yr time frame.
    That may save some lives, forget all the other bonuses, will save lives is the objective.
    some of us think nothing of buying a extra safety this or that to go off rd 4x4ing.
    Ohh what a pain fitting a $50 light.
    carton of beer or bottle of scotch these days.
    cheap to improve safety really.

    Cheers and safe driving.
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    Hi guys, just been reading this topic about lights, lighting, and driving in hazardous conditions.

    Here in the UK through European legislation all vehicles now sold have day light running lights (DLR) at the front, it makes the car just that little bit more visible during conditions that are not optimal, and also means should somebody "forget" to turn on their headlights there's a backup.

    However the ruling does not require their to be a set of rear running lights during the day.....

    My opinion is the Volvo method : start ignition : headlights are lit, it requires you to switch them to parking lights or full beams (Is this not similar to the way that many mining operations vehicles work ?) And having driven in Germany, it is recommended that headlights are turned on, even in good conditions - again providing visibility for the vehicle to oncoming traffic.

    See and be seen - and in this case seen is more important.
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