Spent most of the day trying to get antivirus to run on an old XP loaded pc and trying to make sense of a desk spt guy that did not have a clue. Was going to spend the day joyfully taking off the heat sheild (been so looking fwd to it_not), to see if some flange or pipe thing is leaking. Sad to say, I am leaning towards comp whl run out. Will post up thread Gen Chat, come and join in with some wisdom as I need the encouragement. Off to dig some spuds for dinner.