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Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 08:16 AM
I am currently working up in the torres straits at one of the villages. One of the locals here has a nissan patrol 3 liter petrol 1992. His fuel eletric fuel pump isn't working and i am trying to fix it for him. he currently has a power straight from the battery to the pump with no fuse which to me is very dangerous. i really need the diagram so i can help him.

sorry to cause trouble

Barry

YNOT
3rd September 2011, 08:24 AM
If running power straight from the battery to the fuel pump has got the fuel pump working then the fault is in the circuit controlling the pump. And you are right, very dangerous not having a fuse.

Tony

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 08:31 AM
would you have a layout of the fuel wiring diagram you could email me?

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 08:35 AM
we traced the relay to in the kick panel near the fuse box
would this be wrong?

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 08:41 AM
we traced the relay to in the kick panel near the fuse box
would this be wrong?

What model are we dealing with mate?? My relay (92 GQ) is under the plate beside the battery in the engine bay.

YNOT
3rd September 2011, 08:50 AM
we traced the relay to in the kick panel near the fuse box
would this be wrong?

It could be the relay but you will need to check if it's getting power from the ignition switch and through the fuse (blue/green wire). The diagram I'm looking at also shows a connection (green wire) from the relay (or fuel pump control unit) to the oil pressure switch, presummably to cut the fuel pump if you lose oil pressure. If there is a fault in this part of the circuit it won't power up the fuel pump.
The green/red wire from the relay is the power wire to the pump.

Tony

YNOT
3rd September 2011, 08:51 AM
What model are we dealing with mate?? My relay (92 GQ) is under the plate beside the battery in the engine bay.

1992 model as well Scott.

Tony

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 09:01 AM
The whoile car is pretty dodgey as you can imagine being up in the islands for 10 years
it is a 1992 GQ 3.o liter st WGSY60

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 09:12 AM
The fuel pump does work but only if we give it power sraight from the battery

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 09:16 AM
Stuffed relay?? In your other thread I posted up some info on testing the relay (if your wiring is the same as mine- i.e. Hasn't been stuffed around with 'too' much).

Green relay under the panel beside the battery in the engine bay ...

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 09:40 AM
I will go and have a look at the car

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 09:48 AM
The other dangerous thing about having the fuel pump wired directly to the battery is, if you are involved in an accident and the fuel line ruptures the fuel pump will keep on pumping fuel.

It is a safety feature for the fuel pump to stop working when the engine stops.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:08 AM
Is it possible to bypass the relay, or does it control the fuel pump?

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:09 AM
and does the fuel pump alway run or does it cut out when prssure is built up?

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 10:11 AM
and does the fuel pump alway run or does it cut out when prssure is built up?

Always runs as I understand ...

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 10:13 AM
Is it possible to bypass the relay, or does it control the fuel pump?

Controls power to the fuel pump ... figure you'd only bypass it for testing (but easier to use another relay of the same type for this) ...

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:13 AM
what i am thinking if we just find a live wire off the ignition switch and and a on off swicth for the fuel pump. as you are aware on an isalned in the torres straits and supplyies are very limited

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 10:14 AM
what i am thinking if we just find a live wire off the ignition switch and and a on off swicth for the fuel pump. as you are aware on an isalned in the torres straits and supplyies are very limited

True mate - not sure on this one ..

Over to you Rodney!!

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:20 AM
do you think this could cause problems?

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:20 AM
vehicles here are not regesterd

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 10:21 AM
I will be back I will go and see if there are in relay in the cars in the dump that are the same

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 10:25 AM
I will be back I will go and see if there are in relay in the cars in the dump that are the same

No worries mate - fingers crossed ...

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 10:27 AM
what i am thinking if we just find a live wire off the ignition switch and and a on off swicth for the fuel pump. as you are aware on an isalned in the torres straits and supplyies are very limited

This is a little bit better then what you have now, you will need a relay and a fuse as well.

You don't really need the on-off switch.

You would be much better off finding what the problem is with the original circuit and repairing that.

I would start by finding the fuel pump relay and checking operation of it and feeds to it.

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 10:30 AM
do you think this could cause problems?

Only if the vehicle is involved in an accident or split a fuel line it might be dangerous.

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 10:32 AM
I will be back I will go and see if there are in relay in the cars in the dump that are the same

lol....I am half a page behind....must type faster..lol

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 11:24 AM
can't find a spare relay

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 11:24 AM
Have tested the old relay and power gets to it but dosn't come out

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 11:25 AM
do you see any problem if i don't use a relay and use an on off swithch till i can get him a relay in about 3 weeks?

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 11:26 AM
i know this seems bushman work but i suppose that were i am
i do need a beer there is none of that here

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 11:34 AM
Hey Bazza, probably any old relay you can find at the dump would do, even a 24v will work, make sure you have a fuse in the circuit somewhere tho.
Cheers, Ferret

EDIT: "Yendor" will be along shortly to put you out of your misery Bazza.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 11:48 AM
Not having any luck with a relay! what is it really need for
Have been to the dump but all cars are burnt out. I have a new nissan patrol here is there spare relays in them?

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 12:11 PM
If i get this to work i will have to send you all some pics

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 12:13 PM
going to have a look in someones backyard who has some landcruser wrecks? would these be compatable? any suggestions on how i can do this without a relay please let me know

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 12:18 PM
Have tested the old relay and power gets to it but dosn't come out

Sorry for the delayed response. I had to take my dog to the vet, he is 17 years old and its not looking good for the old fellow.

If your old relay is faulty we can bypass it until your new one arrives.

What colour is the relay blue or back.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 12:25 PM
Black

what is the long term damage if we don't use a relay?

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 12:32 PM
Black

what is the long term damage if we don't use a relay?

A relay is an electrical switch, it removes the load from other circuits.

If you run the fuel pump straight from your ignition switch you run the risk of burning out the ignition switch or overheating the wiring, which could start a fire.

You can temporally bypass the original fuel pump relay (details below)

Remove the relay it should have the pins marked as 1 to 5.

In the connector the terminals that line up with these pins.

Pin 3 should have power (supplied via the fuel pump fuse).
Pin 5 should go to the fuel pump.

If you get a wire and bridge pin 3 and 5 together this should supply power to the fuel pump.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 12:34 PM
will that turn on and off with the innitiopn or do i need a toggle switch?

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 12:43 PM
No it will not turn on and off with ignition, the relay is an electrical toggle switch.

If you want you can put a toggle switch in the bridge wire, but you will need to make sure it is a good quality switch and the wires are at least 4mm

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 01:00 PM
Cheers

Thanks heaps for all your help
I am going to give it a go
i will let you know how we go
once again thanks heaps
this is a great site

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 01:02 PM
Aftermarket parts suppliers or an auto electrician should be able to supply you a non-geniune relay.

You will just need to modify the wiring to suit it.

From memory, the relay for the horn is the same relay, just check that the pin numbers are in the same place as the fuel pump relay.

edit. Sorry the relay aren't the same, I just looked it up the horn relay is blue.

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 01:05 PM
Mate, you could try pulling the relay apart and you may find the contacts are rusted or dirty, worth a shot, it should "click" when power is applied, so if it clicks, it's working.
You could even run a heavy wire to the fuel pump from the battery positive and fuse it and fit an on/off switch, the switch will need to be heavy duty as well.
The relay basicly does the job of a heavy wire to stop the ignition switch and other bits from melting.
This will get you out of trouble till ya can get the correct relay. You could pinch one off the headlight loom, but would have no lights.
We have plenty of cold beer here LOL.
Cheers ,Ferret.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 01:08 PM
what is the relay underneath the fuse panel on the drivers kick

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 01:12 PM
Can't help on that one, unplug it and see what stops working.

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 01:17 PM
what is the relay underneath the fuse panel on the drivers kick

I dont know sorry,

As long as it is a black relay you can try it.

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 01:34 PM
are there spares in new nissans?

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 01:40 PM
are there spares in new nissans?

Don't think so mate ... how quick you need it up and running? Thinking someone from here could ship you up a second hand one??

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 01:53 PM
are there spares in new nissans?

To the best of my knowledge there are no spare ones.

Also the Nissan black relays are change over relays, not commonly used.

The Nissan blue relays are power relay, very common, thats why there are more blue ones then black relays.

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 02:00 PM
To the best of my knowledge there are no spare ones.

Also the Nissan black relays are change over relays, not commonly used.

The Nissan blue relays are power relay, very common, thats why there are more blue ones then black relays.

Now I'm confused. What are the green ones? I have multiple of them!! lol ... I feel left out not having blue ones!!!! Maybe I'm just blue/green colour blind!!! lmao

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 02:11 PM
Blue/Green doesn't matter

Bazza1972
3rd September 2011, 02:17 PM
think i might be on a winner I will let you know how things go
but i do need a beer, been 6 days

Bob
3rd September 2011, 02:25 PM
think i might be on a winner I will let you know how things go
but i do need a beer, been 6 days

Do you realize that you have qualified to Download the Nissan Manuals. Well Done

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 02:42 PM
Blue/Green doesn't matter

Well ... I feel better! lol

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 02:43 PM
think i might be on a winner I will let you know how things go
but i do need a beer, been 6 days

Is it an exclusion zone there? Or you just a long way from the fridge?? lol

Either way mate, hope you sort it and get a coldie into you real soon!!

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 02:48 PM
I'm just hav'n one now, ice cold too, I have a dozen sitting in crushed ice, a few cold crays and a big cigar, ahhhh, suffer LOL

Bigrig
3rd September 2011, 02:52 PM
I'm just hav'n one now, ice cold too, I have a dozen sitting in crushed ice, a few cold crays and a big cigar, ahhhh, suffer LOL

Doing the same minus the crays!!! Might be time for a jaunt down the seafood shop ... your words have 'whet the appetite' ... lol

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 03:11 PM
Well ... I feel better! lol

Glad I could help....lol

Its been 10 years since I owned a GQ, and that was old school points and carby, so I was guessing that they were blue.

I not sure what the difference is between the blue and green, possible different current rating???

btw... the green relays are the duck's nuts, they go so much harder ................lol

Hows that.

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 03:17 PM
Beer, beer did someone mention beer......what a great idea!!!!!

I think we are filling this thread with dribble now. lol

Rellbell
3rd September 2011, 03:50 PM
Alright alright so if you need a distraction. After reading this thread it sounds a bit like my problem. This morning my 2000 GU Patrol 4500 petrol automatic wagon with modified exhaust bailed me up down town. She would not fire up when you turned on the key and pumped like crazy. The RACQ lad came to my rescue and after a few tests said that he thinks the fuel pump is the problem. We managed to start her (he rolled under the car and banged the fuel tank/pump) and away I went. I went straight round to our local offroad specialist and told him the story to organise a new fuel pump. Saturday nothing can happen today so he going to ring me on Monday after some phone calls with part prices etc. Of course she wouldn't start again. When we turn the key on the pressure noise that normally is heard down the back of the vehicle was not there. He gave it a bit of a thump on the fuel tank again, car running sweet, home I went. Hubby home now and havent tried to start her, thought I would post on here to see what we could see. cheers Rellbell

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 04:17 PM
Not look'n good Rellbell, sounds as tho the fuel pump is on the way out.
You may be lucky with a loose connection, but I think ya gunna need to mortgage ya house and buy a new pump.
Ferret.

Rellbell
3rd September 2011, 04:22 PM
Not look'n good Rellbell, sounds as tho the fuel pump is on the way out.
You may be lucky with a loose connection, but I think ya gunna need to mortgage ya house and buy a new pump.
Ferret.

Thanks for answering so quickly. Bugger, I just got a new mortgage and had paid out all my debts too.

the ferret
3rd September 2011, 04:32 PM
I don't know if there is an aftermarket pump,so you may have to part with a kidney or something lol.
Tony (ynot) may know of something, also I would only use a new one.
Ferret.

growler2058
3rd September 2011, 04:34 PM
Cheers

Thanks heaps for all your help
I am going to give it a go
i will let you know how we go
once again thanks heaps
this is a great site

Ya cranked past the 25 an your still here great ta see mate as ya can tell theyre a good mob here full of great info and advice

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 04:37 PM
Alright alright so if you need a distraction. After reading this thread it sounds a bit like my problem. This morning my 2000 GU Patrol 4500 petrol automatic wagon with modified exhaust bailed me up down town. She would not fire up when you turned on the key and pumped like crazy. The RACQ lad came to my rescue and after a few tests said that he thinks the fuel pump is the problem. We managed to start her (he rolled under the car and banged the fuel tank/pump) and away I went. I went straight round to our local offroad specialist and told him the story to organise a new fuel pump. Saturday nothing can happen today so he going to ring me on Monday after some phone calls with part prices etc. Of course she wouldn't start again. When we turn the key on the pressure noise that normally is heard down the back of the vehicle was not there. He gave it a bit of a thump on the fuel tank again, car running sweet, home I went. Hubby home now and havent tried to start her, thought I would post on here to see what we could see. cheers Rellbell

Hi Rellbell,

Distraction!!! ha ha I am easily distracted, I often get in trouble for not paying enough attention....lol

In answer to your post, yes it does sound like the fuel pump is on it way out.

But as the Ferret as said it could also be a bad connection at the fuel pump.

The problem is you are not going to know until you take the fuel pump out of the vehicle.

Rellbell
3rd September 2011, 06:50 PM
Hi Rellbell,

Distraction!!! ha ha I am easily distracted, I often get in trouble for not paying enough attention....lol

In answer to your post, yes it does sound like the fuel pump is on it way out.

But as the Ferret as said it could also be a bad connection at the fuel pump.

The problem is you are not going to know until you take the fuel pump out of the vehicle.

Hi Yendor, Thanks for your post. Do you have any idea on on where the access is to the fuel pump? ie do you have to access through the floor in the back of the car? cause will have to take drawer system out of car. Cheers rellbell

Yendor
3rd September 2011, 07:44 PM
Yes there is an access cover in the floor under the carpet in the rear of the vehicle (under your draws).

Rellbell
4th September 2011, 08:03 AM
Yes there is an access cover in the floor under the carpet in the rear of the vehicle (under your draws). Thanks so much for that, I just wait till he's finished the gardening before I tell him that. cheers rellbell ps the car is a gu2 just in case that makes a difference but probably doesn't.

Rellbell
4th September 2011, 06:21 PM
Yes there is an access cover in the floor under the carpet in the rear of the vehicle (under your draws).

YUP Thats where it is. Will have to wait till tomorrow, have taken a photo on my Iphone of it so hopefully i can send it to the fella to order the right one. Only problem now is how do I get to work. Hubby works in another town 30ks away. cheers rellbell

Yendor
4th September 2011, 07:12 PM
Hi Rellbel,

I am sorry I missed your previous post, I hope you didn't have hubby working too hard in the garden today.

How are the wiring connectors, any signs of a bad connection?

nemo
5th September 2011, 08:05 PM
edit: Lol only read first page and didnt realise it was 7 pages long.

What I was going to suggest has alread been suggested

Rellbell
5th September 2011, 09:16 PM
Hi Rellbel,

I am sorry I missed your previous post, I hope you didn't have hubby working too hard in the garden today.

How are the wiring connectors, any signs of a bad connection?

Thanks for caring for my hubby, Yendor, he's good. He says the connections are all good. I have a new fuel pump ordered been quoted $145 just have to wait for it to turn up, and I get to keep both my kidneys for the time being. I am lucky I am able to scroung a lift with a work colleague. cheers rellbell

the ferret
5th September 2011, 09:21 PM
Well, Tie my face ta thu side of a pig n roll me in the mud, that's a good price.
I was expecting about $600 smackers!!

Rellbell
5th September 2011, 09:21 PM
I don't know if there is an aftermarket pump,so you may have to part with a kidney or something lol.
Tony (ynot) may know of something, also I would only use a new one.
Ferret.
I think the fuel pump will be way cheaper than a replacement dual speed motor for the thermo fan that is located at the front of the car. We had been quoted $500 dollars for that. We shopped around and picked up a New Nissan Thermo fan that nearly fitted perfect, and wired it to a on off switch so we could control it. cheers rellbell

Rellbell
6th September 2011, 07:33 PM
Argh still waiting for fuel pump. I so hate being without my independence. cheers rellbell

Rellbell
7th September 2011, 07:28 PM
Got the part yay not. We think its the wrong one. bugger. My car is pulled apart and we can't fix it till we get the right part. hmmmm rellbell

the ferret
7th September 2011, 07:44 PM
Always the way eh? just when ya think it's all good.

Rellbell
10th September 2011, 07:22 PM
Well today the car she fixed. Yay I have the best husband in the world. Maybe tomorrow she might get her new engine mounts, now that we can drive her down to the back shed where the hoist is. cheers rellbell

Yendor
11th September 2011, 03:57 PM
Rellbell, Glad you got it sorted

Were you able to get a non genuine fuel pump?

Rellbell
11th September 2011, 08:54 PM
Rellbell, Glad you got it sorted

Were you able to get a non genuine fuel pump?
Yes, will have to pay for it tomorrow so can update on price when I know. cheers rellbell

Rellbell
17th September 2011, 01:11 PM
aarrgh can you believe it she has stopped again.. bugger. She was going alright for a couple of days, even to the point it was running really sweet, then as I was about to take her for a jaunt out to pick up some hay, she just would not start. When I came home from work on Thursday arvo, I could hear the fuel pump at the back, which is not a usual thing (so I thought) but was reassured that it was normal, and because we didn't put a sock and mesh container back around it, that was on the previous one, we may have to get used to it. The car started the next time, but the time after that no fuel pump noise. Hubby has pulled the whole fuel pump out again and tested the new pump which seems to be working fine, replaced it back into the fuel tank, and checked all the wires and fuses, but car is still not starting. (No pump noise). Has anyone got any more ideas please...... cheers rellbell

Bigrig
17th September 2011, 01:28 PM
Fuel pump relay?? If the pump isn't priming, then it's either not getting power or is fried - you ruled out fried, so probably back to the wiring ..

The other lads will have better ideas though ...

Rellbell
17th September 2011, 01:44 PM
Thanks for that Big rig, just a little question, where would the fuel pump relay be hidding??? Please cheers rellbell

Bigrig
17th September 2011, 02:55 PM
Thanks for that Big rig, just a little question, where would the fuel pump relay be hidding??? Please cheers rellbell

If it's a GQ, it's under the steel plate beside the battery in the engine bay ... mine is green and if an auto, you can swap the auto transmission relay into the fuel pump relay to test it (that will rule out the relay - obviously you won't be able to drive as the tranny relay is out, but this will narrow it down a bit further). If it kicks over, you know you've got a stuffed relay and hence what to go get, if it doesn't, you've ruled out the relay, but not necessarily the wiring of course.

If you've got a GU I would only be guessing that it's in the same spot, and if you have a manual, not sure what 'spare' relay you can use to check as per above directions ...

Good luck with it mate.

EDIT: just read back through - it's a GUII correct? Maybe worth a check as per above, but no doubt someone else will be along to point you in the right direction.

Yendor
17th September 2011, 03:27 PM
Hi rellbell, I can't believe you have broken it again......lol

I would check with a test light that you are getting power and earth to the fuel pump (you will need to keep turning the ignition on and off or bypass the fuel pump relay).

When was the fuel filter last replaced?, I think these are mounted near the fuel tank on the 4.5L (but I could be wrong).

You could try disconnecting a line and check for fuel flow.

Why was the sock/strainer left of the new pump?, this is there to stop the pump from getting blocked if it picks up some rubbish from inside the tank.

Regards Rodney

Rellbell
17th September 2011, 04:32 PM
Hi rellbell, I can't believe you have broken it again......lol

I would check with a test light that you are getting power and earth to the fuel pump (you will need to keep turning the ignition on and off or bypass the fuel pump relay).

When was the fuel filter last replaced?, I think these are mounted near the fuel tank on the 4.5L (but I could be wrong).

You could try disconnecting a line and check for fuel flow.

Why was the sock/strainer left of the new pump?, this is there to stop the pump from getting blocked if it picks up some rubbish from inside the tank.

Regards Rodney

Thanks Rodney, Yeah thats what Hwmbo more or less said. The fuel filter was replaced about 12 months ago . It is located under the middle of the car on the drivers side half way along between front & back. The sock I was refering to was around the pump body, and had a mesh cage over it (it actually wouldnt fit back over the unit as the new unit was just a little thinner in diameter and so it flopped around). There is still the little sock on the pick up. I hope to update with photos & info, i am just a little slow on the uptake/wait for uni daughter to come home and show me how to do it) cheers rellbell ps its an auto. better go and help under the bonnet. cheers again

oh and thanks to Big Rig too

Rellbell
17th September 2011, 06:09 PM
Hi rellbell, I can't believe you have broken it again......lol

I would check with a test light that you are getting power and earth to the fuel pump (you will need to keep turning the ignition on and off or bypass the fuel pump relay).


You could try disconnecting a line and check for fuel flow.

Regards Rodney

Well Tony checked all with his test lamp, and at one stage the fuel pump was squirting out fuel. We relocated different relays but that didn't rectify the problem either. The relays could be heard/felt to be clicking when put in the position.

He was toying with the idea that maybe the earth wire is a bit dicky, cause it works sometimes and not others. (We have a dicky aftermarket tail light on the back drivers side that does some stupid things at times, he has spent hours trying to find the fault). cheers rellbell

Yendor
17th September 2011, 08:03 PM
Well Tony checked all with his test lamp, and at one stage the fuel pump was squirting out fuel. We relocated different relays but that didn't rectify the problem either. The relays could be heard/felt to be clicking when put in the position.

He was toying with the idea that maybe the earth wire is a bit dicky, cause it works sometimes and not others. (We have a dicky aftermarket tail light on the back drivers side that does some stupid things at times, he has spent hours trying to find the fault). cheers rellbell

Did you actually find the fuel pump relay?, I just had a look in the manual I have and it shows it in the LHS kick panel in line with the bottom of the glovebox.

It shows 3 relays, it is the middle one, but the top one is marked as rear fog lights so this one may not be fitted.

The fuel pump should run for about 5 seconds when the ignition is turned on and then stop, the fuel pump should start running again once the engine starts cranking.

The problem can't be with the fuel pump relay if you are getting power to the fuel pump (as per above).

The earth side of the fuel pump runs inside the vehicle and connects to the body on the LHS, you will need to remove the plastic trim that sits under the LHS cargo window and the earth point should be just under the seat belt retractor for the LHS middle row seat.

I know I asked you this before, but did you checked the wiring and connector once the fuel pump/sender was removed. I have seen the wires on the other side of the plate (not Patrols) that have had bad connections in this pass through connector where the wires have even started to melt/catch on fire.

Hope this helps.

Cheers Rodney

edit...I have just read my posts again and I wasn't clear enough about checking for power at the fuel sender/ fuel pump connector

Leave the plug connected when testing for power, use your test light and back probe the connector.

Rellbell
18th September 2011, 08:45 AM
Thanks for that indepth information. We going out to have a check, will get back to you. cheers rellbell (I think we gonna have to tow it down to the back shed to get it out of the sun)

Rellbell
18th September 2011, 04:17 PM
Thanks for that indepth information. We going out to have a check, will get back to you. cheers rellbell (I think we gonna have to tow it down to the back shed to get it out of the sun)

Checked out your advice and swapped the fuel pump relay with another and hey presto all is good for the fuel pump. starts and runs well. now i just have to get a new relay and replace, so i can put the one i borrowed back in the ac/blower. thank you for all your help. sometimes these things can be so simple but so hard to find.

Tony and Norelle, because she has her car back now.

Yendor
18th September 2011, 04:40 PM
Thats great news, was the fuel pump relay in the LHS kick panel?

it just seems a strange place to mount it and what was the colour of the relay?

Rellbell
18th September 2011, 06:03 PM
Thats great news, was the fuel pump relay in the LHS kick panel?

it just seems a strange place to mount it and what was the colour of the relay?

Yes it is the LHS. but did not have to take off kick panel. all i had to do was take out glove box and support. It was the one in the middle and is blue square one. the same as the ones above the fuse panel. The other two are black and round. thanks again Tony

Yendor
18th September 2011, 06:09 PM
Yes it is the LHS. but did not have to take off kick panel. all i had to do was take out glove box and support. It was the one in the middle and is blue square one. the same as the ones above the fuse panel. The other two are black and round. thanks again Tony

Hi Tony,

Thank you for your reply, this information I am sure will help other people out.

I am glad you got it sorted.

Cheers Rodney

Rellbell
22nd September 2011, 04:54 PM
This is like Demtel hey "But wait there's more". Tony and I tootling along the back streets of Cairns last night and you guessed it, cough wheeze Stop.

There is nothing more mournful (and little bit costly) than your pride and joy being loaded onto the back of a truck for a midnight run home. hey. Well the racq man and tony(who had left his tools at home in the shed) have traced it back to that bloody fuel pump again, so when he gets home from work he will probably pull it out again. I can tell you we are nearly over this. We gave all you fellas on the forum a thought while we sat waiting for help under the street lights with the hazard lights flashing out a slow tune, tick tick tick. Ah you nearly feel as though you were there. Would have been fun.

Oh sorry rambling again, just a bit tired. Well better make tony his coffee so as he can go and look at the car again. cheers rellbell

ps sorry to barry for hijacking his thread.

Rellbell
28th September 2011, 08:27 PM
Well its a week later nearly to the hour and we have finally just replaced the previous new Fuel pump all seems to be going well. Tony going to run it to work and back for a couple of days. Heres hoping all good, cause got a weekend camping expedition planned. (Still haven't got the bill for the fuel pump yet).

Rellbell
29th September 2011, 08:09 PM
Well paid for the latest new fuel pump this am. The princely sum of $195.00. We are still waiting on some new relays, but thankfully car is still going. Tony just has to sort out the sub tank light that stays on all the time, he has looked it up on the forum, just has to find the hours in his day to get too it. cheers rellbell

Rellbell
4th October 2011, 09:26 PM
Go the Nissan Patrol site. Tony cleaned the both terminals and the sub tank light is no longer on. Yayy. Cheers thanks for all your help. Rellbell

Yendor
4th October 2011, 10:05 PM
What's been happening?

Was the new fuel pump faulty as well?

Did Tony run a new earth to the chassis? this is the main cause of the sub tank light to illuminate on the early GUs.

I hope your run of bad luck is over.

Rellbell
14th October 2011, 10:20 PM
Hi Yendor, thanks for your thoughts.
Yes the first new fuel pump was faulty, so it was replaced with another new one and so far still going strong.

Tony cleaned the battery terminals really well and all is good with the sub tank fuel light no longer on.

We ordered and purchased for around $140 a genuine nissan relay for the fuel system when Tony was led to believe by an auto electrician that he could get one for $35. So I returned the genuine item and of course when the generic one turned up it was not the right one. So still no new relay. In the mean time the car is still running on the original relays, that had been switched from Aircon/blower to fuel relay etc. Just starting to relax and enjoy life again, and once again thanks to you fellas on this forum for your wisdom. cheers rellbell

the ferret
14th October 2011, 10:38 PM
Far out, you must be in line fer a good run
Rellbell, I reckon the bod that sold you the faulty pump should foot the whole bill.
I hope all goes well now, why not source a used relay?
No doubt about Yendor eh? the man.