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the evil twin
20th August 2011, 05:44 PM
Yet another avoidable tragedy...:furious:

Details are sketchy but apparently she was in the front pax seat and the vehicle reversing. If so one would deduce that the "towball" that killed her detached from whoever they were pulling out maybe? Not that it changes the end result.

Mother of 3 and the Kids were there too... "freak accident" my butt. How many fatals is that now 6?... less people die of snake bite these days

EDIT... Latest news http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/freak-beach-accident-claims-mother-of-three/story-e6frg13u-1226118702921

macca
20th August 2011, 05:53 PM
No what a waste, it seems so simple a thing to do but with such devastating results.
Macca

Silver
20th August 2011, 06:25 PM
a terrible shame, and a helluva way to go, esp in front of the billy lids. thoughts are with the family

Woof
20th August 2011, 06:44 PM
When is the bloody government going to start advertising the dangers of recovering vehicles in this manner, how many more lives are to be lost??

gec
20th August 2011, 06:47 PM
Maybe we should all email the new's outlets and say we hope they are gonna report responsibly and tell them the correct way to use a snatch strap and that under no circumstance should anyone use the bloody towball

the evil twin
20th August 2011, 06:56 PM
When is the bloody government going to start advertising the dangers of recovering vehicles in this manner, how many more lives are to be lost??

They already have mate. There is a Mandatory Product Standard that states all Straps must only be sold with the following notes and warnings (abbreviated for clarity).
Persons using the strap should do an accredited course
Cannot be used for towing
Damper MUST be used
Only people directly involved to be in either vehicle
DO NOT CONNECT THE STRAP TO A TOWBALL
etc etc

The Gov man requires that info to be with any and every strap sold in Oz, retail, online, Ebay doesn't matter.

Unfortunately you cannot advertise or legislate against negligence or stupidity

Woof
20th August 2011, 07:10 PM
They already have mate. There is a Mandatory Product Standard that states all Straps must only be sold with the following notes and warnings (abbreviated for clarity).
Persons using the strap should do an accredited course
Cannot be used for towing
Damper MUST be used
Only people directly involved to be in either vehicle
DO NOT CONNECT THE STRAP TO A TOWBALL
etc etc

The Gov man requires that info to be with any and every strap sold in Oz, retail, online, Ebay doesn't matter.

Unfortunately you cannot advertise or legislate against negligence or stupidity

The problem that I see with labeling of straps is...........who reads instructions, they are only read when all else fails, way to late then.

NissanGQ4.2
20th August 2011, 07:14 PM
The problem that I see with labeling of straps is...........who reads instructions, they are only read when all else fails, way to late then.

As ET said "Unfortunately you cannot advertise or legislate against negligence or stupidity"

Clunk
20th August 2011, 07:18 PM
very sad news indeed, my thoughts go out to the family

the evil twin
20th August 2011, 09:04 PM
The problem that I see with labeling of straps is...........who reads instructions, they are only read when all else fails, way to late then.

certainly agree with ya there, Cobber

fixer982
20th August 2011, 09:42 PM
Might help if we could get something on the TV news and radio news, as Gec said.

ablast
20th September 2011, 09:08 PM
I feel so sorry for the family. Such a simple to do with such dire results. I have already educated my sons in regard to these types of dangers. It scares me how unaware they can be. I personally saw a friend have both of his legs turned backwards standing in the bite of a winch cable. He was lucky not to be cut in half. There are so many things that can go wrong. One needs to assume something can go wrong rather than believe it can't happen to them. The more discussion and awareness of these dangers the better. It might just save some ones life and in fact probably will.

big_fletch
20th September 2011, 10:31 PM
Sorry to hear about another death, not the greatest way to end an outing.. My thoughts out to the family and hopefully people get the msg soon as to how unsafe it is to snatch from a tow ball

Fletcha

DeJay
15th January 2012, 07:06 PM
I agree with having appropriate warning labels and any who don't read them are soon out of the equation anyway is seems...sad, very sad. Do people actually learn from others mistakes, or do they have to make their own? Unfortunately, not all mistakes give you a chance....

Cowboy
17th January 2012, 07:38 PM
So unfortunate to see such a good intentioned happening go so wrong.
It's like anything really, and with us in the marine rescue system, it is like towing another vessel and that tow rope being under extreme pressure. Unfortunatly we have to do it from a timber post and that post is the only thing that will help save a lashing if the rope snaps.
Education is the best method, and that could be done, right fom the point of sale of a new vehicle, to licence testing and the like.
Things like this will always happen, it's human nature, but we can lower the happens with education.
Hopefully people reading in this forum have learnt as well, so there is 1 outlet for info and probably has already saved a life or injury and we wouldn't even know.

Cheers

mattandjody
19th January 2012, 10:16 PM
Just thinking, anyone here who works around a lot of 4wd's could start a new thread. Mainly posting pictures of proper recovery points and points not to be used (like the u bolt on the back of gq's.) I know it's a patrol forum but we all have mates with different trucks. I'm pretty sure not everyone on here would know how to properly recover a 4wd. A little education here and there. Even if one life is saved it's weorth it.

antiskeptic
5th February 2012, 06:31 AM
trajic news....but these stories need to be sharded more to educate people on the not to dos

DX grunt
5th February 2012, 08:05 AM
trajic news....but these stories need to be sharded more to educate people on the not to dos

Whether I'm on the computer or out playing with my truck, the message on my signature can be read by the multitude - from anywhere in the world!!

Whether they heed the facts, is their choice. lol-not!!

Sir Roofy
5th February 2012, 08:49 AM
whether i'm on the computer or out playing with my truck, the message on my signature can be read by the multitude - from anywhere in the world!!

Whether they heed the facts, is their choice. Lol-not!!

now that we are getting some air time could,nt we promote it as a no no

scrubrat
14th February 2012, 09:34 AM
Such a sad accident.

nullack
18th February 2012, 01:22 PM
The thing is, driving is inherently dangerous too. People easily loose the perspective that even hitting head on to a stationary object at 60 klm/h, even the safest cars around you stand a good chance of being seriously injured.

VIRK
4th March 2012, 04:33 PM
I bought a recovery strap from Repco in Adelaide a couple of weeks back and it had no such warning or signage... Guess the Govt need to monitor that the compliances are being followed..

They already have mate. There is a Mandatory Product Standard that states all Straps must only be sold with the following notes and warnings (abbreviated for clarity).
Persons using the strap should do an accredited course
Cannot be used for towing
Damper MUST be used
Only people directly involved to be in either vehicle
DO NOT CONNECT THE STRAP TO A TOWBALL
etc etc

The Gov man requires that info to be with any and every strap sold in Oz, retail, online, Ebay doesn't matter.

Unfortunately you cannot advertise or legislate against negligence or stupidity

growler2058
4th March 2012, 05:02 PM
I bought a recovery strap from Repco in Adelaide a couple of weeks back and it had no such warning or signage... Guess the Govt need to monitor that the compliances are being followed..

Which repco mate PM me if ya like

Robo
4th March 2012, 05:34 PM
We all know drink driving is a no go.
Wear a seat belt is mandatory
how many kids do you see, still not wearing a helmet while riding a bike.
but people still ignore this.

But this is what happens when we have such useless politicians.
Constant knee jerk reactions is just about all we get.
Usually never anything rock solid to prevent a repeat.
all the authorities do is advertise to try and reduce the likleyhood of it happening.
guess why, it's probably the cheap easy option and doesn't hurt votes.
P.R rules the world.

Robo
4th March 2012, 05:38 PM
Which repco mate PM me if ya like
it would of been old stock and the rule would only apply to new stock, that's how useless the politicians are.

Robo
4th March 2012, 05:40 PM
How many farmers rolled their tractors before ROPS was made mandatory, why can't the same principals apply all the time.

VIRK
11th April 2012, 08:50 PM
Hi mate ! Sorry for the very late reply as i was very busy to dig up the receipt.... The address is RAP Adelaide, 187 Franklin Street and the sales person was Evangelos...

VIRK
11th April 2012, 08:53 PM
Which repco mate PM me if ya like

Hi Mate! Sorry for the late reply. The Address was RAP ADELAIDE 187 FRANKLIN STREET and the name of the sales person was Evangelos

carsurgeons
16th April 2015, 09:46 AM
thats so sad and avoidable

rusty00
11th July 2015, 10:00 PM
Looks like some like to promote the incorrect way.

http://youtu.be/xx4MQwbdJu4

jack
12th July 2015, 10:15 AM
https://video-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/11643776_109701066037102_1105555288_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjc2NSwicmxhIjoyMjQ3fQ%3D%3D&rl=765&vabr=425&oh=42fee60774497001ecf45ba00434bd0f&oe=55A1D581

Here you go, I had hoped the guy in the Ranger would tell them.

Bacho86
12th July 2015, 10:29 AM
Yeh I was hoping the same same thing when turned around...had a good chuckle at the OP and all the comments on Facebook... Turned ugly pretty quickly as per usual there


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MudRunnerTD
12th July 2015, 10:50 AM
https://video-lax1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xpa1/v/t42.1790-2/11643776_109701066037102_1105555288_n.mp4?efg=eyJy bHIiOjc2NSwicmxhIjoyMjQ3fQ%3D%3D&rl=765&vabr=425&oh=42fee60774497001ecf45ba00434bd0f&oe=55A1D581

Here you go, I had hoped the guy in the Ranger would tell them.

Wow a paddock full of people that really had No Idea! The bloke in the ranger had a permanent yellow light mounted, I bet that was a work vehicle and he had no idea either. Classic example of "Buy 4WD = I can drive Anywhere" people Die permanently.

threedogs
12th July 2015, 10:51 AM
Absolute Morons IMO , hope I dont come across them out bush.
They had no idea what they were doing ,very very lucky
Still morons though

vfamily
12th July 2015, 11:41 AM
Absolute Morons IMO , hope I dont come across them out bush.
They had no idea what they were doing ,very very lucky
Still morons though
i will second that

Bigcol
12th July 2015, 12:12 PM
some times "Darwins" Law is a good thing

unfortunately not though...........

threedogs
12th July 2015, 12:25 PM
He had all his kids in the back , For crying out loud how stupid do you have to be.
Maybe not his kids so who cares, total Fwit should go and sell it he endagers too many lives IMO
As MR said all those ppl and not one had a clue, Its a very quick learning curve if it goes wrong,
and with that idiot unfortunately it probably will, makes me wild these cashed up clowns, rant over

Bigcol
12th July 2015, 12:54 PM
I couldn't agree more TD
however
Stupid is as stupid does

and its NOT against the Law to be Stupid - and its NO defense from the Law either

Maxhead
13th July 2015, 06:38 AM
Another bloke lucky to be alive after a strap, shackle or tow ball hit him in the head and was taken to hospital. and it was a Nissan Patrol

A man has been seriously injured after his 4WD became bogged while off-roading in Penrith overnight.
Officers from Penrith Local Area Command are investigating the circumstances surrounding the incident which occurred at a fire trail waterhole off Devlin Road at Penrith, about 9.20pm (Sunday 12 July 2015).
Emergency services were called to the scene after the 4WD became bogged and the man was hit in the back of the head possibly by a shackle or a snatch strap, when other drivers attempted to pull his vehicle free.
The man suffered life-threatening head injuries and was flown by helicopter to Westmead Hospital where he remains in a serious condition.
A crime scene has been established and specialist officers are at the scene investigating the incident.

lots of comments on FB: https://www.facebook.com/nswpoliceforce

threedogs
13th July 2015, 07:08 AM
Just saw it on the news they said the shackle hit him in the head,
How many more ppl need to be injured or die because of this.
Thoughts with the guys family, it could have been avoided
Do we know the kids name from the Patrol

ablast
27th November 2015, 08:33 PM
It's funny how much emphasis is put on on rated D shackles. I wonder what the sheer rating on a tow ball is or if there is even a standard?

mudski
27th November 2015, 08:59 PM
I dont believe their is one. As they are designed for load stress. Not sheer...

the evil twin
27th November 2015, 10:39 PM
It's funny how much emphasis is put on on rated D shackles. I wonder what the sheer rating on a tow ball is or if there is even a standard?

Yes there is, specifically A.S. 4177

Towballs are required to pass sheer testing as follows
3.1.4.4 Test Procedure for 50mm Coupling Balls
The test coupling ball shall be attached to the test fixture representing the towbar tongue or lug according to the manufacturers instructions and a longitudinal static force of 66 kN applied through a correctly adjusted coupling body of sufficient capacity.
NOTE: This testing force in kN is 2.27 t x g x 3 test load factor

Bottom line is that to meet ADR's a 50mm Towball cannot deform or sheer below 66kN

MudRunnerTD
16th June 2017, 07:16 AM
I will just leave this here


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