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MQ MAD
4th August 2011, 06:06 PM
Thought id start this to help those a bit new on the scene
Ill keep adding as differences are found, or add your own if you know any

Headlights
MQ - Roundheadlight
MK - Rectangle headlight

Grills
MQ - Round headlight
MK - Rectangle headlight

Taillights/Lenses

From top to bottom

MQ
Indicator-Amber
Brake-Red
Reverse-Clear

MK
Brake-Red
Brake-Red
Reverse-Clear
(With a seperate indicator in the rear bumper)

Steering wheel
MQ
2 Spoke
MK
3 Spoke
Although some povo pack/MK utes have the MQ style 2 spoke wheels

Radio pod
MQ
Flat removable , top of dash mounted radio pod,with a small compartment beside radio
MK
Tapered removable , top of dash mounted radio pod with a clock on the passenger side of radio

Motor
MQ SD33 N/A
24 Volt diesel with factory left and right engine bay mounted battery trays
MK SD33 N/A and TURBO
12 Volt diesel battery mounted on passenger side of engine bay

Thatll do for tease
More later

Finly Owner
4th August 2011, 09:03 PM
wheel arch flares are fiberglass except Luxury model MK which had steel wheel arch flares.

Luxury MK had suspenion ride seats.

MQ MAD
5th August 2011, 12:09 PM
There was only the steel flares from factory,on the Deluxe version
Glass flares are aftermarket
There are the "Wide wheel pack" Fibreglass flares, these bolt threw the side of the guards

MQ/MK Stone tray/valance tray
(Bit under grill)

MQ
4 Symetric holes between indicators,same size as indicator lense holes

MK
6 Symetric slots (3 lots of 2) between indicators,different size as indicator holes

MQ /MK
Inner guard supports
MQ
Dont have any extra bracing behind front guards
MK
Do have extra bracing behind front guards
(This bracing goes from under the windscreen pillar and runs the length of the inner guard ,in a forward direction

mk escort
31st January 2012, 02:03 PM
Front shackle bolts were larger diameter on MK

taslucas
31st January 2012, 08:19 PM
i think one of them has straight shackles and one has stepped out ones (wider on the top, narrower on the spring).....if that makes sense? Is this right MQMAD?

pod
1st February 2012, 07:52 PM
MQ straight shackles
MK stepped shackles

jc58nc
5th February 2012, 12:40 PM
MK petrol can have a 5 speed box from the factory.
MQ petrol 4 speed only.

MQ MAD
7th February 2012, 09:44 AM
MK petrol can have a 5 speed box from the factory.
MQ petrol 4 speed only.

MQ all engine combos are 4 speed in manual configeration

Johan Safari
15th February 2012, 07:09 PM
Transfer cases are different between L28/P40/SD33.
Tail shafts are different depending whether LWB/SWB/type of transfer
Diff ratios anybody?

MQ MAD
23rd February 2012, 03:55 PM
Transfer cases are different between L28/P40/SD33.
Tail shafts are different depending whether LWB/SWB/type of transfer
Diff ratios anybody?

Gearbox bellhousings are different between these as well
Input gearbox shafts are different as well
Starters are different
Diff ratios are different between MQ/MK,but interchangeable except the H260 ute diffs, which the centres arent interchangeable as the H260 diffs are huge and mainly found in utes
But complete diff housings will be fine for the swap
Ratios,from memory
P40 4.11
SD 33/L28 MQ 4.6
SD33T MK 4.33
Ute 4.88

There are other options in the diff ratios but not offered in aussie versions

Kursad
10th March 2012, 01:10 AM
i have 1989 MK SD33T short, hard top version

24 Volt diesel with factory left and right engine bay mounted battery trays
:)

Bigrig
10th March 2012, 01:15 AM
i have 1989 MK SD33T short, hard top version

24 Volt diesel with factory left and right engine bay mounted battery trays
:)

Hey Kursad

Mate, if you could slip over to the introductions section and post up some info on yourself and your rig, that'd be grand. Something we ask for and lets people know who they're yakking with.

That said, welcome aboard mate - feel free to join in and hope you enjoy the place!!

Kursad
10th March 2012, 01:31 AM
Hey Kursad

Mate, if you could slip over to the introductions section and post up some info on yourself and your rig, that'd be grand. Something we ask for and lets people know who they're yakking with.

That said, welcome aboard mate - feel free to join in and hope you enjoy the place!!


Hi, i am from Turkey and my english not good but i can write with google translate.. slowly.

But i can try this one :)

thanks

Bigrig
10th March 2012, 01:37 AM
Hi, i am from Turkey and my english not good but i can write with google translate.. slowly.

But i can try this one :)

thanks

Haha - all good old mate. Take your time, and we have a bunch of people from around the work here, so we'll do our best - but your English is heaps better than our Turkish!!! lol

MQ MAD
10th March 2012, 10:16 AM
i have 1989 MK SD33T short, hard top version

24 Volt diesel with factory left and right engine bay mounted battery trays
:)

All 24 V MQ versions (or perhaps overseas versions) had factory left and right battery trays
The 12v L28 MQs have a drivers side battery tray, the 12V MKs have a passenger side battery tray

dwrjr
12th April 2012, 11:08 AM
I read that MK SD33 have 12 volt electrics, but my 1986 SD33T has 24 volt electrics. It is Safari instead of Patrol, think it was built in Japan?

MQ MAD
13th April 2012, 01:46 PM
I read that MK SD33 have 12 volt electrics, but my 1986 SD33T has 24 volt electrics. It is Safari instead of Patrol, think it was built in Japan?

Safaris are different in the MQ/MK/GQ range
There still a patrol just different labels
Bit like commodores called chevs O/S

Finly Owner
13th April 2012, 10:11 PM
My SD33T 1986 MK Patrol is 12V factory, so, no real rule, exceptwhat is, IS!



Tim

iansmqshotyy
13th April 2012, 10:23 PM
my mk sd 33 atmo is 12v too..

nismine01
16th April 2012, 11:03 PM
My MK has only tail lights in the upper section of tail lights, the centre section is tail/stop but the top is single contact low wattage globe for tail light only. I have put in 21 watt globes cut the wire and linked it to the indicators.
Cheers

nismine01

Finly Owner
17th April 2012, 10:51 PM
My MK has only tail lights in the upper section of tail lights, the centre section is tail/stop but the top is single contact low wattage globe for tail light only. I have put in 21 watt globes cut the wire and linked it to the indicators.
Cheers

nismine01Be careful you don't get caught by the uthorities. Only vehicles pre 1970 areallowed flashing red lights as indicators. Otherwise they must fash amber.


Tim

MQ MAD
18th April 2012, 08:13 AM
My MK has only tail lights in the upper section of tail lights, the centre section is tail/stop but the top is single contact low wattage globe for tail light only. I have put in 21 watt globes cut the wire and linked it to the indicators.
Cheers

nismine01

The difference is explain in my OP

nismine01
18th April 2012, 04:25 PM
Sorry, failed to mention I had the amber lense to fit, so I'll be OK.

GQ TANK
24th April 2012, 03:23 PM
Front springs, bushs and shackles are differant

My Mk has a internal regulator alternator - no external regulator or wiring.

I suspect the dashs are differant - my MK has a rev meter on the left

Finly Owner
24th April 2012, 11:18 PM
Nah all them have tachos, and most are internal regs.


Tim

MQ MAD
25th April 2012, 04:56 PM
I suspect the dashs are differant - my MK has a rev meter on the left

The dash clusters are different between models
Namely ,
From the left,
Nothin (as in a "Nissan" inscription,) a clock or a tacho, then the speedo then the 4 guages (temp,oil, volts, fuel)
This can depend on the option or the actual model,(povo pack or a deluxe)
Then theres the radio section , these are different between the MQ and the MK, but the povo pack MKs will have the MQ radio section
Then theres the different coloured guage needles, some white some orange

Ric
5th May 2012, 11:51 PM
I




Taillights/Lenses

From top to bottom

MQ
Indicator-Amber
Brake-Red
Reverse-Clear

MK
Brake-Red
Brake-Red
Reverse-Clear
(With a seperate indicator in the rear bumper)


More later

This is not quite right.

Many MK's still had all 3 colour lenses.

It was only the Deluxe models with the factory flares/ wide wheel package and the spare wheel carrier mounted on the tailgate that had the two reds and the clear because there was a risk of the spare wheel blocking the view of the rear left indicator from some angles so the indicators were fitted into the Bumper.

You don't see too many around like this and I have been unable to buy replacement lenses for the top red.

Cheers Ric

MQ MAD
7th May 2012, 11:26 AM
Many MK's still had all 3 colour lenses.

It was only the Deluxe models with the factory flares/ wide wheel package and the spare wheel carrier mounted on the tailgate that had the two reds and the clear because there was a risk of the spare wheel blocking the view of the rear left indicator from some angles so the indicators were fitted into the Bumper.

You don't see too many around like this and I have been unable to buy replacement lenses for the top red.

Cheers Ric
The GQ went to indicator in the rear bar for this reason

Get onto Finly owner (Tim) he has mentioned a place in brissie where newie top red lenses are avaliable
Failing that theres a good pair here

Finly Owner
10th May 2012, 10:56 PM
This is not quite right.

Many MK's still had all 3 colour lenses.

It was only the Deluxe models with the factory flares/ wide wheel package and the spare wheel carrier mounted on the tailgate that had the two reds and the clear because there was a risk of the spare wheel blocking the view of the rear left indicator from some angles so the indicators were fitted into the Bumper.

You don't see too many around like this and I have been unable to buy replacement lenses for the top red.

Cheers Ric
It was not only the Deluxe Models. It was also the sports models. And yes they are different models. So anyway try PanelHouse Slacks Creek.



Tim

aussiemale
28th May 2012, 04:38 PM
I'm lucky (or unlucky some may say) that I'm stripping a MQ AND a MK. Using the parts of one to make the other better. Keeping the MQ and using the MK as a donor. I'm keeping the body of the MK but transplanting it onto the MQ chassis.
MK is Diesel and MQ is Petrol.
Any and all differences are being discovered. MQ MAD has asked me to post some pics here to assist those that wish to follow LOL
Most, if not all, know that the MQ and MK have different headlights.. I was surprised to find that apart from the headlights, the template behind the lights are different
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00270289.jpg
ROUND HEADLIGHTS - obviously this is the MQ and the template is like this
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00270287.jpg
SQUARE HEADLIGHTS - this is the MK. note the difference between the two, if you wish to swap lights over you'll have to play around with a welder etc

aussiemale
28th May 2012, 04:43 PM
Another difference I've found between the two is when I took off the fenders, the MK appears to have a support that looks like it's to strengthen it, please correct if I'm off track but pics will show what I mean
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00270297.jpg
MQ with no "support'
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00270298.jpg
MK with "support"

aussiemale
28th May 2012, 04:51 PM
Now for my 2 cents worth.. My MK is a SD33T, is 24volt and is 5speed.
MY MQ is the L28, is 12 volt and is 4speed.
Power steering from the MK can be used on the MQ however needs a petrol bracket (thanks MQ MAD for that info)
The 5sp gearbox from the SD33T cannot be put onto the L28 without mods, it can be done but it's not a matter of swapping gearboxes and bolting it into place.
Any more differences I find as I go I'll post for others to learn from my bloodied knuckles LOL

aussiemale
9th June 2012, 04:59 PM
More subtle differences between my MQ and MK.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090323.jpg
Vinyl Dash taken out, MK is the bottom one, only difference is the vents on the sides
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090322.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090321.jpg
Steel dash, red is the MQ and MK is the grey/silver
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090324.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090325.jpg
Bolt holes are all the same so one gets the idea that they're made from the same template, only exception is this hole is larger in the MK but it looks like it's been an adjustment with the robot
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090326.jpg
MQ has a small circle next to the cluster hole
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090327.jpg
circle has gone is now an oblong shape. Only difference between the two steel templates

The instrument clusters had some large differences. I'm unsure if it's related to one being Diesel and the other Petrol.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090330.jpg
Back view (right hand side of clusters is the oil, volt, temp etc)
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090328.jpg
only difference is the clock on the MQ and the Rev counter on the MK
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090332.jpg
1st difference is the circular pin array for the MQs oil,volt etc cluster compared to...
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090331.jpg
two wire clip-in thingies (again my knowledge base is becoming apparent)
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090333.jpg
the clock cluster and
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00090334.jpg
the rev counter cluster.
Trying to work out if I can utilise the MKs cluster on the MQ, not sure how to arrange the Rev counter though

aussiemale
10th June 2012, 04:56 PM
Another day in the man-cave and another day off differences between the MQ and MK
This time it's the lowly heater
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100337.jpg
The one on the left is the MQs and the one on the right is the MKs
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100335.jpg
MQs heater
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100336.jpg
MKs heater (must be better as it's shiny)
The only difference I can see/find between the two is the shiny bit and the wiring associated with it
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100342.jpg
MQ has just a couple of wires sticking out and the MK
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100343.jpg
has a hose from the centre to an outlet/inlet and a plug for wiring
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100344.jpg
and this sticker, saying that it's 12V and by the year is definitely a MQ and
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100345.jpg
this is 24V and by the year is definitely NOT a MQ
All bolt holes marry up between the two vehicles
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100352.jpg
Red is the MQ
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100353.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100354.jpg
AND
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100360.jpg
Sorry about the mismash of the MK, is also being used as a storage vessel for parts I'm wanting from the MQ
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100358.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00100359.jpg

The only difference between the two is the side vents pointed out on my other post and the related heating ducts

MQ MAD
10th June 2012, 05:50 PM
Side vents or dash vents wernt on all or either and dependant on options
Ive seen some with and some without, some with the hole in the dash and a plastic cover clipped in the slot,others with vents for air con
Maybe its , as mentioned due to factory options
The elongated hole in the centre of the dash could be due to the MK has a clock up near the radio and different plugs and wiring ends, and the MQ just has a radio in this ssection
Theres 3 different dashes , and thanks for the few pics
1 has a nissan insignia,one has a clock and the other has a tacho on the left of the cluster
Youll notice and find a few differences as you go along with your build, dont go mix n matchin between the 2 when doin your build, easier to stick with whatever your petrol engined car has, and do the complete wiring ect for that

aussiemale
10th June 2012, 07:09 PM
Thanks for that MQ, can't offer much to others bar the photos as don't quite have the tech/mech skills. Learning heaps myself by taking them and comparing them.

aussiemale
10th June 2012, 07:11 PM
Also forgot to note earlier that the Glovebox on the MK is smaller than the MQ due to the side vent duct going behind it

MQ MAD
11th June 2012, 10:33 AM
Thanks for that MQ, can't offer much to others bar the photos as don't quite have the tech/mech skills. Learning heaps myself by taking them and comparing them.


Fotos are very appreciative
There are especially in the MK utes (maybe cause their the povo packs ???) that share alot of the MQ stuff
Like steering wheel, radio dash section
Non turbo diesel engine, but the 5 speed box
These are sought after the SD33 n/a 5 speed box,due to great first gear better for climbing

Keep the pics comin .......

aussiemale
11th June 2012, 06:09 PM
More differences for the MQ / MK camps, this time the headlights, yes I know they've been brought up before however didn't know that they were this different
the MQ as most will know are round headlights however it looks like if a bulb blows you'd have to replace the whole headlight
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00110390.jpg

where the MK has a removable bulb
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00110389.jpg

The connections seem pretty similar
the MQ
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00110385.jpg

And the MK
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g420/aussie_male1au/00110386.jpg

I'm unsure (and would appreciate feedback ..MQ MAD) if I remove the 24volt bulb from the MK with a 12Volt bulb that it'd work with the MK fitting. Would delete having to do any mods changing the headlights over

MQ MAD
12th June 2012, 11:07 AM
The 7 " round headlights are a standard fitment on many cars of the era
IF you have a fitted bulb, just get a " H4 " headlight,they have the removable bulbs
These are avaliable in the rectangle style headlights as well
Just for your purpose,get " H4 "headlights and then use whatever powered bulbs you need for your project
Dont forget "Dont " touch H4 headlight bulbs with bare skin,use gloves,the oil in your skin is no good for them

aussiemale
12th June 2012, 06:38 PM
Thanks MQ, do appreciate your advice, I'd be up that creek smelling like a dunny otherwise lol

Finly Owner
12th June 2012, 09:57 PM
The ruond bulb from your MQ is called a "Sealed Beam" Headlight. The MK one is a " H4 Halogen BulB" Headlight.

These both types come in round and "square" headlights in all the common sizes.



Tim

aussiemale
13th June 2012, 04:59 AM
Thanks for that Tim, I'm intending to retain the MKs head lights when I do the body swap as don't want to stuff around making mods to fit the round headlight. I'm assuming that all I'd have to do is change the bulb over from 24 to 12.

Finly Owner
13th June 2012, 09:19 PM
Thanks for that Tim, I'm intending to retain the MKs head lights when I do the body swap as don't want to stuff around making mods to fit the round headlight. I'm assuming that all I'd have to do is change the bulb over from 24 to 12.
correct you are

Cammo101
16th October 2013, 10:53 AM
Will the mq front quarter panels fit on the mk. I know the mk has the extra supports running from the window forward does that stop the mq panels fitting?

Lawrence
17th October 2013, 04:39 AM
Mk has rubber bushing for springs (as well as different type springs), while mq had steel greasable bushings. I had to change mine (87 ute) out to the steel ones as one of the front springs had broken on mine and dealer ordered the mq springs. They have different amount of springs according to the spec rather than the year i think, My ute had 3 springs per pack at the front, whereas i have seen a deluxe wagon with around 6 springs per front spring.

hamo65
23rd October 2013, 08:57 AM
Combination switch has different plug
mk
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee21/hamo65/patrol/86lightplug.jpg
mq
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee21/hamo65/patrol/85combo.jpg

alltorque
7th October 2014, 12:00 AM
I have a 4spd mk l28 it was the last 4spd built before the switch too 5spds. Only about 4 months between the last 4spd and a 5spd upgrade on the mk, can get a little confusing.

faw33
12th March 2015, 12:41 PM
look like a great project. Very informative stuff bud! Thanks wasnt sure which model i had.

meakinelli
17th December 2018, 11:05 PM
perfect thread, i bought my patrol in a hurry and only now seem to know its model number.thanks

meakinelli
17th December 2018, 11:09 PM
top tip, burnes the oil and breaks the glass. money down the drain

meakinelli
17th December 2018, 11:11 PM
any idea what Ah each battery should be as standard? mine need replacing but dont want to get the wrong ones.cheers