FMIC Install and Suitable Bull Bar_08 GU IV CRD

[Bidja]

Looking at doing a front mount (bar & plate) cooler(600x300x76mm) install for my GUIV CRD wagon. Looking at replacing the bull bar as not keen on modifying the Genuine Nissan bar mounting brkts that protrude 160mm above chassis rail as this would weaken mount and not be ADR compliant.

Looking at Raslarr @ Mount Evelyn Victoria _ Azza comp bar with 3" centre tube & 7" spotlight inserts, with headlight hoops . ADR compliant and air bag compatible.

https://www.raslarr.com.au/all-products/nissan/nissan-patrol-gu-y61-tube-bull-bars/

Anyone have experience with Rasslar products (any good)?

[rusty_nail]

Looking at doing a front mount (bar & plate) cooler(600x300x76mm) install for my GUIV CRD wagon. Looking at replacing the bull bar as not keen on modifying the Genuine Nissan bar mounting brkts that protrude 160mm above chassis rail as this would weaken mount and not be ADR compliant.

Looking at Raslarr @ Mount Evelyn Victoria _ Azza comp bar with 3" centre tube & 7" spotlight inserts, with headlight hoops . ADR compliant and air bag compatible.

https://www.raslarr.com.au/all-products/nissan/nissan-patrol-gu-y61-tube-bull-bars/

Anyone have experience with Rasslar products (any good)? Winnie I believe has raslarr bars all round? They are just around the corner from mine if I can do anything to help

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[Winnie]

Looking at doing a front mount (bar & plate) cooler(600x300x76mm) install for my GUIV CRD wagon. Looking at replacing the bull bar as not keen on modifying the Genuine Nissan bar mounting brkts that protrude 160mm above chassis rail as this would weaken mount and not be ADR compliant.

Looking at Raslarr @ Mount Evelyn Victoria _ Azza comp bar with 3" centre tube & 7" spotlight inserts, with headlight hoops . ADR compliant and air bag compatible.

https://www.raslarr.com.au/all-products/nissan/nissan-patrol-gu-y61-tube-bull-bars/

Anyone have experience with Rasslar products (any good)?Yeah I have raslarr rear bar and slider/scrub bars. I am happy with the barwork itself but the powder coat is nowhere near good enough and when I brought it up with them they were not interested in helping.
I found their service to be pretty well below par too.

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[Bidja]

Yeah I have raslarr rear bar and slider/scrub bars. I am happy with the barwork itself but the powder coat is nowhere near good enough and when I brought it up with them they were not interested in helping.
I found their service to be pretty well below par too.

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Poor powder coat that would be disappointing (especially new) and them not wanting to be bothered with follow up. Will address this when I call them.

Have a Millweld rear bar, not sure if Mill is doing bull bars anymore due to compliance requirements. Might give him a call as well. Thanks

[nipagu7]

this is may not be feasible but i thought i'd just thro it out there . in the past i have read of people removing the centre apron strut to mount the ic behind the grill . i reckon this is doable . a new strut could be made to connect to the back of the bullbar or bend back under to the original bottom mounting bolt ,the powersteering cooler would have to be relocated also but that should be easy . just no sure of legality's. part of the apron support strut i think would have to be cut off , but if done carefully , could be made to be bolted back on if required.

[Bidja]

this is may not be feasible but i thought i'd just thro it out there . in the past i have read of people removing the centre apron strut to mount the ic behind the grill . i reckon this is doable . a new strut could be made to connect to the back of the bullbar or bend back under to the original bottom mounting bolt ,the powersteering cooler would have to be relocated also but that should be easy . just no sure of legality's. part of the apron support strut i think would have to be cut off , but if done carefully , could be made to be bolted back on if required.

A few kits starting to get out there. In my cases the vertical spt strut (genuine) also will have to go and a new brkt fixed in place. The steering cooler is generally shifted to new location, but for the series 4, the kit I am looking at, the steering cooler can retain same relative horiz/vert position but be moved in behind new vert spt brkt. Yet to see detailed instruction.

[Bidja]

happy with the barwork itself but the powder coat is nowhere near good enough\

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Mate, when did you purchase your Raslarr stuff and was the powder coat patchy/not thick enough or damaged(from impact)?

[Winnie]

Mate, when did you purchase your Raslarr stuff and was the powder coat patchy/not thick enough or damaged(from impact)?It would have been about 5 years ago I reckon. The powder coat did not stick properly and in a lot of places it just fell off on the drive home.

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[0-TJ-0]

You got less room behind the bar than us GUIII owners? I had to move a thermo fan and the steering cooler but otherwise plenty of room there for a reasonable ic.

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[Bidja]

0-TJ-0 Looking at possible removing thermo fan. Nice job by the way mate

[0-TJ-0]

Cheers mate.

Everything seems to work just fine without it. Had it done during summer and no dramas with the aircon. I thought there was an issue but just had the revs set a bit low at idle and with the aircon on. Upped it all to where it should be and it came good.

Plenty of room there without it. The standard alloy bar allows pretty good airflow through it too. A standard bar would pretty much cover the whole ic where I have it mounted I reckon.

[Bidja]

Cheers mate.

Everything seems to work just fine without it. Had it done during summer and no dramas with the aircon. I thought there was an issue but just had the revs set a bit low at idle and with the aircon on. Upped it all to where it should be and it came good.

Plenty of room there without it. The standard alloy bar allows pretty good airflow through it too. A standard bar would pretty much cover the whole ic where I have it mounted I reckon.

So you removed the thermo fan and all was good?

Might disconnect mine and see how she goes before do install.

[0-TJ-0]

Yeah haven't had an issue. I reckon MudRunnerTD did his as well and I'm pretty sure he's in a GUIV.. although different motor to you also.

I have run it through at least half of summer including up to Coober in 42 deg heat and quite a bit of driving around town/city. Aside from my idle problem no real issues.

[MudRunnerTD]

Here are the IC pics from my GUIV..


So i have not been back here but damn have i been busy.

Had a couple of huge weekends including hosting Matty and Rossco for 12 hours or more to fit this UFI 12mm pump.

I took Rosscos advice and bit the bullet and decided to do the front mount cooler the same weekend cause, well, it won't take long right!!!!! Damn!!!

Photo bomb

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Off with the front bar

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This was in the way as was the AC fan and PS Cooler

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Made a mount for the IC. Pretty pleased

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Removed the intake pipe as it needed to be rotated anyway to point the other way.

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I blocked the EGR about 8 years ago. Check this out!! I took the opportunity to fully remove it (cause you know, i had time!!)

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Fan off. Radiator out. PS pump removed. Front cover to be removed.

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Fuel rail off as i changed injectors too.



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So a few weekends ago i fitted the 4" snorkel and airbox. I cant remember if i posted it here? If i didnt i will add some pics.

So intake side to turbo i stayed with 4" as far as i could. Its tight but im bloody stoked!!!

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Intake side i have fitted a 3" intercooler so have gone 76mm from turbo all the way to the intake. Damn it got busy!!!

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And how good does this look!!!!

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Late. I mean LATE Sunday night after something like 20 hours or more on the car for the weekend i lifted the bar back 9n to fit and Farrrk Meeee Drunk!! She aint gunna go back on!!!! No Farrkkking Way!!! Cooked i was

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See that bit ^^^^^^^^

Yeah it supposed to go there vvvvvv

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Mutha farka!!!! Gutted.

My wife had to knock back a shift at work and i had to fix it monday night

Flipped the IC upside down and bought another couple of elbows and we are done.

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So bled the fuel injectors and bled the cooling and took it for a test run. Felt great but as expected the Clutch would not hold 3rd and was barely getting through 2nd. We will lump along for a week and get it sorted.

I called Brett at 4wdObsession in Melton and booked a Clutch and tune for Today.

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[0-TJ-0]

I don't think my had that bracket that sticks forward that the ps cooler is mounted too.. but still looks pretty straight forward.

It's a bit involved mate but looking at the time you took to do the 4in through the gaurd you'll get through it okay

[Bidja]

MudRunnerTD


Well 4" and very busy but you got thru. Did you only dry clamp(no sealants)?

Reason for 4" (hot/cold side) in lieu of say 2.5" (hot side)/ 3"(cold side)? Propose to use 2.5" hot/cold side.

Came across AB FMIC install (post 14) and read re: compression (ref nissannewby) :
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?27470-Installing-WRX-front-mount-intercooler-with-3-quot-pipe-to-GQ&p=501187&viewfull=1#post501187

With retaining vertical spt brkt (slightly modified), positioned cooler fwd, did the silicon joiner cause the need to flip cooler to provide clearance to bar mount brkt?

[MudRunnerTD]

MudRunnerTD


Well 4" and very busy but you got thru. Did you only dry clamp(no sealants)?

Reason for 4" (hot/cold side) in lieu of say 2.5" (hot side)/ 3"(cold side)? Propose to use 2.5" hot/cold side.

Came across AB FMIC install (post 14) and read re: compression (ref nissannewby) :
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?27470-Installing-WRX-front-mount-intercooler-with-3-quot-pipe-to-GQ&p=501187&viewfull=1#post501187

With retaining vertical spt brkt (slightly modified), positioned cooler fwd, did the silicon joiner cause the need to flip cooler to provide clearance to bar mount brkt?

Hi mate. I chose to stay at 4" from Snork head to turbo. No point putting a restriction in if your can fit it in. Air in was my priority.

Sticking with 76mm through the IC made sense if I could fit it. Not laggy which is good. Not sure of a disadvantage staying at 76mm but may be there is?? NissanNewby could comment.

[MudRunnerTD]

Dry joints everywhere. No lube and no sealant.

[Bidja]

Hi mate. I chose to stay at 4" from work head to turbo. No point putting a restriction in if your can fit it in. Air in was my priority.

Sticking with 76mm through the IC made sense if I could fit it. Not laggy which is good. Not sure of a disadvantage staying at 76mm but may be there is?? NissanNewby could comment.


4" from work head to turbo??? Induction sizing all the way to turbo inlet?

Query re_flipping cooler mate:

With retaining vertical spt brkt (slightly modified), positioned cooler fwd, did the silicon joiner cause the need to flip cooler to provide clearance to bar mount brkt?

[MudRunnerTD]

??? Induction sizing all the way to turbo inlet?

Query re_flipping cooler mate:

Work Head should read Snork Head. I didnt see the point in buying a 4" Snork and 4" airbox then reduce the intake heading to the Turbo so stayed as big as i could for as long as i could.


Re flipping the cooler. Actually the inlet and outlet pipes went straight across the mount point of the bar damn it. i had no choice or way around it. Flipped it and was simple to fix. That mount bracket went straight through where i held my hand.

[Bidja]

Yes thought snorkel was the intended word(all good).

Cooler inlet/outlet placement is my major concern. The cooler I am looking at also has entries @ bottom of tanks and is reason for need to replace my Genuine bar. Checking out Raslarr and their mounting plates look like they will provide the clearance suitable for my set up. Sounds like their product QC has improved over last 5yrs (will see).

Noted that U are using 3" for cooler ducting also, scaled pictures.

[Bidja]

Have got hold of the FMIC drawing and have measured up factory bull bar mounts and would need to cut away a bit off factory bull bar mount "rear stay/gusset" above chassis rail to fit cooler(Aft of mount crush zones).

Concerned that bar would not be compliant with ADRs/airbag requirements. Any comments?

[Bidja]

FMIC Install_Finished doing some slight mods to the factory bull bar mounts and cutting in hot/cold induction pipe entries to accommodate the PDI bar and plate cooler. Working on re-positioning pwr steering cooler.

Retained the factory bull bar, made it work, had to flip cooler but will use 2x45° silicon elbows to hook up hot/cold side (2.5" piping). Been some fun times, easier when you look back.

[Bidja]

As shown above, had proposed to flip the FM cooler because the hot side tank 2.5" outlet (low on drivers side) fowled with the A/C condenser pipe(bottom loop). Did not like flipping cooler at all so have decided to have the outlet spigot position changed (lift it by 60mm) to clear A/C pipe and also to use least # of bends.

[Bidja]

To fit the PDI FM cooler_Need to fit new center brkt under bonnet latch, down to the bottom radiator spt member and mount the Pwr steering cooler behind this brkt. I flipped the power steering cooler to get it closer to the A/C condenser and modified the center and passenger side existing brackets to secure it in new place. Worked well and my new nutsert tool came in handy.

Packed up the FM cooler to send it to PDI to relocate spigot pipe (lift 60mm) in cold tank.

Then this morning had to put all back together (with top mount) for rego inspection, the mechanic knows that their is always something changing with the vehicle and looked and let it pass so this is good and comment was it goes well. :hpfredgeorge1::hpfredgeorge1:

Wait for the return of front mount(cold side spigot mod)

[Bidja]

Rectified A/C condenser pipe lower loop fowling cooler outlet(refer post 24).

Air Con Condenser Re-position (lift and pushed back towards radiator)
Have been a bit concerned with modifying the spigot position on the FMIC cold tank, with how the pipes would line up.

Decided to look at possible ways to get around the problem of the A/C condenser pipe loop fowling the cooler outlet.

I have solved the alignment issue by lifting the A/C condenser up (approx 20mm) up and pushing it in back towards the radiator (25mm) and was able to get the loop not to protrude past the front radiator support panel. Just need to make up a couple of replacement rubber absorption brackets for the bottom of the condenser for attached to bottom radiator support member.
Small metal removal in bottom corners of radiator spt panel.

Do not need to modify FMIC and the pipes should line up as designed.

[Bidja]

The A/C condenser was lifted and moved back so the condenser (driver side) bottom loop would not fowl the cold side piping and made up new bottom brkts each with rubber isolator.

[Bidja]

Factory Bar Mount and Center Brkt mods

[Bidja]

Pwr steering cooler flipped, relocated and brkt mods

[Bidja]

Various install pics of PDI FM

[Bidja]

There U go for those intertested. Drives well and like to leave off grill.

[mudski]

Nice work. Will the grill fit back on? Are you going to get a dyno test to see if theres any difference?

[Bidja]

Grill will go back on without mod, might cut out some blanking sections around center badge. Pushing a/c condenser back and keeping FM cooler close to radiator spt panel, recon might even have room for spal fan(will see).

Tune likely near future, want to get a handle on where it is at for a while.

Drove twice, first 10kms(local rural) yesterday (2am) and then 8hrs later about 100ks hwy and in traffic. Initial run experience shows run improvement, spools up in a very linear controlled manner and is responsive in a sold way (engine sounds good). Noticed improvement in low down performance and like the drive (good first impressions/early days).
Does drive differently, less turbulence noise than experienced thru previous tube & fin TMIC(this cooler was a very good performer must say).
Different boost behaviour low down may do some adjustment to actuator rod length keep vanes @ closed limit a little longer (induction changes) but it is very driveable with no complaints. EGTs may be a little higher eg: test hill 4th gear 70% eng load stock 575°, with 600x300x76mm t&f TM 380°, now 600x300x76mm FM 400° but early days. Maybe better having slightly higher EGTs for low down torque performance. Cruising @ nom 300°C up from 280°(so close the same).
Have not changed Tillix boost set (max spool/no needle used). Previous TM running max B 27psi now at first run with FM went max boost to 30 psi (bounce) and ran at 28psi, but now settling down running 26 psi max B will watch.

Pleased with result but have sore hands, will fit grill and spotties this evening.

[Bidja]

Bonnet Louver Vent-Rear Facing

No need for bonnet scoop with FMIC, so replaced large scoop with a rear facing louver panel I had made up from 1mm thick mild steel (O/A 700x600mm with louver opening of 600x300mm to suit hole in bonnet).

The heat flow coming out of the engine bay after driving 40 kms run into town is surprising. After 5 minutes with motor off, I could comfortably wrap my hand around hot side SS pipe (150mm) from turbo and this temp would have been half as hot as was with fwd facing scoop fitted (FMIC both cases).

Just waiting on black washers to arrive to finish off, used some split PVC edging around panel and fixed to panel to bonnet with nutserts and countersunk washers and SS screw _ so good a mod.