Rhino Bar + Fourby Fitout

[Jackofjr]

Fourby Fitouts has installed a False Floor and Cargo Barrier , Fridge Slide and Drawer to come
Had the Rhino Bar and Runva Winch fitted , I chose the Rhino Bar I thought it looked good but what was a big plus was the good access to the Winch , most Bars you cant even see the Winch let alone get a hand in there

[1nando]

Looks great mate. [emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]
Fourby Fitouts has installed a False Floor and Cargo Barrier , Fridge Slide and Drawer to come
Had the Rhino Bar and Runva Winch fitted , I chose the Rhino Bar I thought it looked good but what was a big plus was the good access to the Winch , most Bars you cant even see the Winch let alone get a hand in there

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[CamJam]

That's a great fit-out. I wish I didn't need at least two of those rear seats... but maybe I could take out just one. I like the compartment hatch for (I presume) the tyre-changing gear - that's got me thinking of perhaps something similar. Very nice! Hope you're stoked with it. I'm still waiting on parts for the TJM bar before it's finished... should've just gone local/ Rhino I think now. But we live and learn!

[Jackofjr]

Yeah CJ , I'm pretty happy with the way the fit out is going Mark at Fourby Fitouts does a nice job ,
He raised the false floor 15mm you can see it in the photo , by doing that I can fit a 105a/h Full River AGM battery under there if I want
I haven't decided what batt I will install yet and it also it gives a bit more room beside the Jack compartment , I can fit my lithium jump pack , tyre plug kit and probably some other small stuff in there .
My 62 is the prototype , he hasn't done a full Fitout of a 62 before
The rest of the frame for the shelves and soft luggage rack is at the Powder Coaters now .
I will post a few more photos when it's all finished.

The Rhino Bar and Winch fitted up pretty good , I weighed the vehicle again today , front axle was 1600kg
Up from 1540kg std but I only had about 1/3 of a tank of fuel and only me in the vehicle .
I will weigh it again with a full tank and the wife on board .

[1nando]

Yeah CJ , I'm pretty happy with the way the fit out is going Mark at Fourby Fitouts does a nice job ,
He raised the false floor 15mm you can see it in the photo , by doing that I can fit a 105a/h Full River AGM battery under there if I want
I haven't decided what batt I will install yet and it also it gives a bit more room beside the Jack compartment , I can fit my lithium jump pack , tyre plug kit and probably some other small stuff in there .
My 62 is the prototype , he hasn't done a full Fitout of a 62 before
The rest of the frame for the shelves and soft luggage rack is at the Powder Coaters now .
I will post a few more photos when it's all finished.

The Rhino Bar and Winch fitted up pretty good , I weighed the vehicle again today , front axle was 1600kg
Up from 1540kg std but I only had about 1/3 of a tank of fuel and only me in the vehicle .
I will weigh it again with a full tank and the wife on board .Have you found that with the bar and winch you're hitting the bump stops?

Im wanting to install a OL bar but am worried that it'll hit the bump stops too often and ill need the on track lift. Not really keen on the lift as im worried of premature wear on suspension components. I also don't know how the lift would affect the vehcile driving over harsh corrugated track at speed for prolonged periods. Will it cause premature shock wear through excess heat???etc

What are you going to do with your suspension Jack??

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[Jackofjr]

Nando , I measured the front before and after centre of hub/wheel to guard
Before Right side 530mm after 525mm
Left - 525mm after 523mm
Bugger all difference and that surprises me , I actually thought that can't be right so checked it several times

I will give it a few more K's and measure it again .

I don't know what if anything I will do to the suspension , I will see where it sits after the Fitout in the back is finished and loaded with all my crap plus the Tvan on the tow bar.

I tried the Tvan on the back and the rear dropped 20mm but the Patrol was empty and so was the Tvan .
so I will have to do something to the rear suspension, if I can getaway with just airbags I will .

I'm hanging out to see what On Tracks GVM upgrade is like and the cost .
I would be happy to just keep it at std hight loaded ,

[CamJam]

Have you found that with the bar and winch you're hitting the bump stops?

Im wanting to install a OL bar but am worried that it'll hit the bump stops too often and ill need the on track lift. Not really keen on the lift as im worried of premature wear on suspension components. I also don't know how the lift would affect the vehcile driving over harsh corrugated track at speed for prolonged periods. Will it cause premature shock wear through excess heat???etc

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I've got the T3 Bar fitted, but without the hoop or rubber buffers, plus recovery points from On Track. I will post pic's and a proper review once the hoop is in - because to do so now wouldn't be fair. I say this because as it sits now - this thing creaks and groans like I have never heard a bar do before (and I've had OL, ARB x 2 and a TJM one on previous cars). I am hoping to get the hoop on this week - if that's the case (and the groaning finishes) then I will take it up to the Brindabella Ranges the following weekend to try out the 'bump-stop' issue. So far no issues (dropped 8mm and 9mm on the front). With the Bar and recovery points, I have 80Kg over the front - 5Kg shy of the 85kg limit, so the suspension shouldn't be an issue at all.

If the hoop/ buffers don't fix the groaning/ creaking, I have asked TJM Canberra to fix up whatever has been done wrong by removing and re-installing the bar. If THAT doesn't fix it, I'm going to take it off altogether and put a Rhino Bar on and seek a little bit of compensation for the issues. Having said that - perhaps the Hoop and TJM re-installing it will fix it. I hope so.

I spoke with OnTrack about the GVM Upgrade. The suspension lift will come with It - there's $2600 straight up. The Rear arms are $3000. Now add fitting and the engineering certificate and you're looking at close to $7K for a 4.3 tonne GVM (they are aiming for 4.3 - but it'll be up to the Engineer) and it'll be inclusive of a 2" lift - no option not to have it. They also hope to certify it across all states - I think this will still require you to get an engineer certification at every state you register it in (I move around a bit for work, so this is an issue) but if you're just living your days out in the one state then all good. But by pre-approving it in the other states and territories it should certainly make it easier/ cheaper.

They are taking orders for the rear $3000 arms now, which will be made in batches of 10. I don't know exactly when they'd be delivered/ able to be fitted.

I'm going to see the results of this TJM Bar fiasco first, before I decide to head back down again. No drama's with someone stuffing up an install - it's the response to fix it that's the measure I'll be looking for (so far so good).

[Jackofjr]

Thanks CJ for that info , it must be a PITA the issues you are having with the Bar .
What are your actual measurements from centre of hub to guard ,
I'm going to run my 62 over the bridge again today with a full tank and passenger, will measure it again also .
7K for a GVM upgrade that's getting up there , can't say I'm surprised
The state certification only wouldn't bother me , it would be better national if possible.
The rear arms @ 3K , are they really needed , I know they say the std ones bend , I wonder how many have actually bent
That extra 3k will put a lot of owners off .

[1nando]

Thanks CJ for that info , it must be a PITA the issues you are having with the Bar .
What are your actual measurements from centre of hub to guard ,
I'm going to run my 62 over the bridge again today with a full tank and passenger, will measure it again also .
7K for a GVM upgrade that's getting up there , can't say I'm surprised
The state certification only wouldn't bother me , it would be better national if possible.
The rear arms @ 3K , are they really needed , I know they say the std ones bend , I wonder how many have actually bent
That extra 3k will put a lot of owners off .I ain't forking out 7k for a gvm upgrade! For that i can put a lift on it, bullbar, roof rack, uhf and set of lights!
If i spent an extra 3k i could also add a long range tank a dual battery setup and then she'd be all ready to go.



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[Jackofjr]

I ain't forking out 7k for a gvm upgrade! For that i can put a lift on it, bullbar, roof rack, uhf and set of lights!
If i spent an extra 3k i could also add a long range tank a dual battery setup and then she'd be all ready to go.
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I hear ya nando but that's the problem with all that stuff you would be well and truely over 3.5T
I don't know anyone that's been pinged or had a insurance claim rejected YET for being over but I don't wanna be the first
Imagine the poo you would be in if you were at fault in a prang and someone was seriously hurt or even killed and you were proven to be over GVM .

I have just returned from the Weighbridge again , 2 of us onboard full tank of juice Rhino Bar , Winch nothing else in the vehicle
Front axel 1640kg
Rear axel 1420kg = 3060kg
I'm now left with 440kg to play with , still haven't fitted the rear drawer , fridge slide or shelves yet .
I'm 10kg under the max front axle rating but still 15kg over Nissans aloud 85kg .
Front is now 15mm lower than std ride hight

[Jackofjr]

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[CamJam]

Yes, $7K is up there. Especially when I would only like it in order to be able to fit an auxiliary tank, which will necessitate a Rear Bar and swing away wheel. So that $7K goes out to $12K pretty quickly. For that I get a 2" lift and 290L fuel tank... Dunno. I'd want to make sure of it all...

The RHS mid-cap to wheel arch is 523mm, the LHS distance is 520mm (left side of the car has 15Kg Awning on it, snorkel, UHF antenna and air compressor in the back - so perhaps another 25Kg on it.

[1nando]

I hear ya nando but that's the problem with all that stuff you would be well and truely over 3.5T
I don't know anyone that's been pinged or had a insurance claim rejected YET for being over but I don't wanna be the first
Imagine the poo you would be in if you were at fault in a prang and someone was seriously hurt or even killed and you were proven to be over GVM .

I have just returned from the Weighbridge again , 2 of us onboard full tank of juice Rhino Bar , Winch nothing else in the vehicle
Front axel 1640kg
Rear axel 1420kg = 3060kg
I'm now left with 440kg to play with , still haven't fitted the rear drawer , fridge slide or shelves yet .
I'm 10kg under the max front axle rating but still 15kg over Nissans aloud 85kg .
Front is now 15mm lower than std ride hight .

Attachment 76057Attachment 76058Attachment 76059Car 2715kg tare
Me 85 kg
Mrs 55kg
2 kids 20kg (2 year old and baby)
OL bullbar 80kg guess
Pioneer rack 45kg guess
Lights 10kg
Uhf amd aerial 3kg
Long range and standard tank full 290kg
Lift kit 30kg (guess)
Dual battery 30kg guess
Fridge 25kg

3388kg total weight all up. Im still under the max gvm by a good 112kg. As a family tourer thats perfect. The rest of the stuff can go in the trailer (water, camp gear etc).

Ill set up dual battery in the boot to save on front axel weight. If i need more payload i just fill the long range tank less to 200ltrs and increase my payload to 202kg. I have no intention to fit draws as i dont need it.

I think that isnt bad..... thoughts?





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[Jackofjr]

Yep nando that sounds good , I have weighed 2 new std Ti's now both were the same weight with the wife and I onboard, 3000kg .
All weights I have posted are actual Weighbridge numbers , that's on a new Vic Roads bridge , actually its 2 Vic Roads bridges one each side of the highway , I have no doubt it's accurate

I removed the 3rd row of seats ( 38kg ) the day after I took delivery, I guess that helps with the Fitout in the back
I'm only fitting 1 drawer , 1 fridge slide a shelf and a cargo barrier ,

If you can keep it under GVM thats great .

[1nando]

Yep nando that sounds good , I have weighed 2 new std Ti's now both were the same weight with the wife and I onboard, 3000kg .
All weights I have posted are actual Weighbridge numbers , that's on a new Vic Roads bridge , actually its 2 Vic Roads bridges one each side of the highway , I have no doubt it's accurate

I removed the 3rd row of seats ( 38kg ) the day after I took delivery, I guess that helps with the Fitout in the back
I'm only fitting 1 drawer , 1 fridge slide a shelf and a cargo barrier ,

If you can keep it under GVM thats great .I dont doubt your weight bridge reading but was the 3000kg with a full tank of fuel?

Vehicle dry 2715kg
Full tank 140kg roughly
That's a total of 2855kg


You and the mrs 145kg combined ??


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[Jackofjr]

Yep I did say full tank and 2 of us onboard, wife and I dressed are 170 give or take a kg and yeah both 62's had tow bars that's it nothing else , they are heavy suckers , any weight you add to the towball is part of the GVM

[CamJam]

Car 2715kg tare
Me 85 kg
Mrs 55kg
2 kids 20kg (2 year old and baby)
OL bullbar 80kg guess
Pioneer rack 45kg guess
Lights 10kg
Uhf amd aerial 3kg
Long range and standard tank full 290kg
Lift kit 30kg (guess)
Dual battery 30kg guess
Fridge 25kg

3388kg total weight all up. Im still under the max gvm by a good 112kg. As a family tourer thats perfect. The rest of the stuff can go in the trailer (water, camp gear etc).

Ill set up dual battery in the boot to save on front axel weight. If i need more payload i just fill the long range tank less to 200ltrs and increase my payload to 202kg. I have no intention to fit draws as i dont need it.

I think that isnt bad..... thoughts?





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You have a fair bit more there; the specific gravity of our unleaded is close enough to 0.71 --- it's not water, so 1L does not weigh 1Kg (very, very often miscalculated). 1 litre weighs 713grams. So your full 290 tank weighs just over 206Kg.

For when we tour, just for whatever's sake - my numbers are

Payload 2715 (Tare Weight)
Mum, Dad and the Kids = 240kg (she'd kill me if I listed it separately!)
Recovery Gear 20kg
42L Ice Box with Food/ Drinks 30kg
Tow Bar 30kg
TJM Front Bar 75kg
Driving Lights and UHF with Antenna 8kg
Recovery Hooks 15kg
Air Compressor 9kg
Full tank of fuel 102kg (140L)
Full Oils/Lubricants 12kg (Tare is often without this - unsure if a Ti tare includes it or not, as if it did then it's usually called Kerb (with half a tank of fuel)
Luggage/ Clothes - 2 Bags at 12Kg each 25kg
Hand Winch + 20m Wire rope 25kg
Food Box including Food 20kg (mostly de-hyd and we buy/ find our own too)
Water Tank full of water 55
Portable Camping Table 12

TOTAL INSIDE CAR 3393 GVM = 3500Kg... then put some on the roof...



On Roof
Tent 38kg (yeah, I know. But it's BLOODY good)
Sleeping Bag/ Pillow/ Towel bag 11kg
Roof Rack 39kg
Howling Moon Awning 15kg
MaxTrax x 2 7kg

Total on Roof 110 (so 10kg Over limit - there's space in the back to move the sleeping bags etc down if I need to)

TOTAL Remaning from GVM -3 Kilograms... and that's full fuel, set up for touring. Burn off 5 litres of fuel and I'll be good to go.

[Jackofjr]

Pulled the grill just to have a look and checkout access to the winch only took a few minutes 76072

[Mushie]

You have a fair bit more there; the specific gravity of our unleaded is close enough to 0.71 --- it's not water, so 1L does not weigh 1Kg (very, very often miscalculated). 1 litre weighs 713grams. So your full 290 tank weighs just over 206Kg.

For when we tour, just for whatever's sake - my numbers are

Payload 2715 (Tare Weight)
Mum, Dad and the Kids = 240kg (she'd kill me if I listed it separately!)
Recovery Gear 20kg
42L Ice Box with Food/ Drinks 30kg
Tow Bar 30kg
TJM Front Bar 75kg
Driving Lights and UHF with Antenna 8kg
Recovery Hooks 15kg
Air Compressor 9kg
Full tank of fuel 102kg (140L)
Full Oils/Lubricants 12kg (Tare is often without this - unsure if a Ti tare includes it or not, as if it did then it's usually called Kerb (with half a tank of fuel)
Luggage/ Clothes - 2 Bags at 12Kg each 25kg
Hand Winch + 20m Wire rope 25kg
Food Box including Food 20kg (mostly de-hyd and we buy/ find our own too)
Water Tank full of water 55
Portable Camping Table 12

TOTAL INSIDE CAR 3393 GVM = 3500Kg... then put some on the roof...



On Roof
Tent 38kg (yeah, I know. But it's BLOODY good)
Sleeping Bag/ Pillow/ Towel bag 11kg
Roof Rack 39kg
Howling Moon Awning 15kg
MaxTrax x 2 7kg

Total on Roof 110 (so 10kg Over limit - there's space in the back to move the sleeping bags etc down if I need to)

TOTAL Remaning from GVM -3 Kilograms... and that's full fuel, set up for touring. Burn off 5 litres of fuel and I'll be good to go.

Great break down of the weight.

It is hard to keep under the weight - I had never thought about it until we decided to go looking at new cars. We picked up our Y62 a couple of weeks ago and I am still trying to work out what to add.
We are trying to set it up as a tourer and light 4wding, but dont plan on towing. We have a tent that weighs that amount too!! (I think I saw in a previous post by you that you had the blackwolf tubo+, we have that and love it, but we will probably get something lighter/smaller for our trip around oz)

I didnt see a stove and gas bottle in your list?? I also need to fit in a crap load of kids toys!!!

Alot of people also forget about the tyres. Most put larger = heavier tyres on * 5 which adds a substantial amount of weight. Although it is not being carried by the frame - it all goes on the weigh bridge and counts to GVM.....

[CamJam]

Great break down of the weight.

It is hard to keep under the weight - I had never thought about it until we decided to go looking at new cars. We picked up our Y62 a couple of weeks ago and I am still trying to work out what to add.
We are trying to set it up as a tourer and light 4wding, but dont plan on towing. We have a tent that weighs that amount too!! (I think I saw in a previous post by you that you had the blackwolf tubo+, we have that and love it, but we will probably get something lighter/smaller for our trip around oz)

I didnt see a stove and gas bottle in your list?? I also need to fit in a crap load of kids toys!!!

Alot of people also forget about the tyres. Most put larger = heavier tyres on * 5 which adds a substantial amount of weight. Although it is not being carried by the frame - it all goes on the weigh bridge and counts to GVM.....

Yep - very true on the wheels/ tyres. To be honest it had escaped my attention.

And yep - Blackwolf Turbo+ - awesome seperate part for the kids and something that after probably twenty trips over the past 5 years still almost looks like new. My cooking stuff is all Uber-light weight, but one of them has a need for Metho so that'd need to be added.

Kids! They've got an iPad that stays in the car, then we make swords or shields or hot air balloons out of stuff - or go bush walking or fishing. I somehow lucked into a couple of dudes that like bushwalking and reading... Hope it stays that way!

[Jackofjr]

I'm happy with the end result , I now have to get the Wiring for the Full River 105a/h battery that's under the False Floor accessible from behind the second row of seats

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[Jackofjr]

A link to Fourby-Fitouts video of my Patrol , I'm getting the Dc-Dc Charger fitted this week , then working out where to fit all the essential gear in the back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC6sclmCi70