Territory engine conversion

[Biskit]

Hi everyone, I was wondering if anyone else has considered this engine swap.

A 2.7 V6 Tdi engine from any later model (unfortunately Ford) Territory into a GU patrol.

I know that its a smaller size than the 2.8 that you can get but I was seriously impressed with the sound, the pull and the economy of this motor ...

Here are some stats from the ford website:

Territory MkII TX RWD
Engine type 2.7L V6 Common Rail Turbo Diesel
Engine size (cc) 2720
Compression ratio 17.3 : 1
Max. power (DIN) 140kW @ 4000rpm
Max. torque (DIN) 440Nm @ 1900rpm
No. of valves 24
Bore and stroke (mm) 81.00mm x 88.00mm
Injection High pressure common rail
Engine management Electronic powertrain control module

While these figures arent mind blowing, I.m sure that a chip and exhaust would make it go even better...

And they are comparable (better) than the ZD30.

I was impressed with the sound that the bog standard one at work makes, let alone something worked up a bit...

Has anyone done this or considered it?

[Clunk]

Big difference in weight though mate..... with the GU being over 400kg heavier than a Territory.

[Plasnart]

I have an uncle with a diesel Territory. He pulls a 25 foot caravan all over Australia, albeit blacktop only, but sounds great to me. I've never heard of any issues with this motor and instinct tells me it would be a better alternative to a ZD30. I'm not a mechanic though so this is just gut opinion without technical input. If you could get one on the cheap, and you have mechanical ability, why not give it a crack?

[Chappy]

I watched an 11 second Territory once at Calder Park. Don't know how drivable that would be in the bush though!

[Winnie]

I watched an 11 second Territory once at Calder Park. Don't know how drivable that would be in the bush though!
That would be a 4.0L turbo though for sure?

[Chappy]

That would be a 4.0L turbo though for sure?
Not sure to be honest. I'm not well versed with them. It was impressive to see none the less.

[Winnie]

It would have to be, there are a few patrols around now with the barra engine in them. They are a really good match for the patrol.
As for the 2.7L diesel though I have got no idea.

[Plasnart]

It would have to be, there are a few patrols around now with the barra engine in them. They are a really good match for the patrol.
As for the 2.7L diesel though I have got no idea.

I've got no idea about Territory engines so I don't know if the uncle has 4.0L or 2.7L. Never put my head under his bonnet but sounds nice though! It's a reasonably late model but that's all I know Biskit.

[gubigfish]

why not just go the duramax conversion and be done with it :cheers:

[Clunk]

it's a modified version of the engine first used in the 2005 landrover discovery 3 (which I know was a slug due to the weight of the Discovery), also used in Jags, BMW X5 and a few others...... built and developed by Ford UK

[Plasnart]

I've just emailed the Unc so hopefully I can let you know if he has a 2.7L or 4.0L and his first-hand opinion of it soon. It is a big rig that he tows though so wouldn't be surprised if it's the 4.0L.

[the evil twin]

I have a Terry Wagon ('13 TZ Series 1) with the diesel engine as my daily.

Very, very nice drive, great torque, smooth and quiet gives me 8.0 LPH around town.

Wouldn't put it in a 'Trol tho

[Biskit]

I've read that this same engine has been used in other vehicles, I haven't heard too many people complain about their discos (apart from the fact that theyre landies in disguise) and Ive seen plenty of X5's get up and go...

Yes the patrol may be 400 kg heavier than a Terror, but then, it put out a few more kW than the standard gu donk too and the extra torque is worth some praise...

The way that I look at at it, if the engine doesn't have the same grenade properties as the ZD and you can tune them a bit to make them better, isnt a more reliable, more powerful engine something worth considering?

If not, what other V configuration diesels are out there to use (apart from the Toyota 200 series donk?)

[Biskit]

Evil Twin, Why not (specifically)?

[nissannewby]

The 3.0 V6 diesel that comes in the jeep. I believe it is built by vm mottori. Banks diesel in the states are doing some impressive things with this motor.

[Biskit]

I was thinking more along the lines of something that is not so "late model" (read: cheaper)

[nissannewby]

Its not that new

[Biskit]

Okay, I'll check 'em out...

[nissannewby]

Okay, I'll check 'em out...

180kw and nearly 600nm standard. Been around for 5 years or so now.

[MB]

G'day Bisket, I very well are out of touch with modern day ADR engine swap compliance but in our heyday Chevy's say for example still needed an approved kit into their new homes. As a young bloke I had my heart set on a G60 with 302or351 or even 250 crossflow but found it easier to ADR kit up a 308/350 in an FJ :-( because legal kits were available at that time!
Please excuse my ignorance but this swap sounds pretty paperwork tricky :-( !
Cheers mate!

[Biskit]

Yes the Jeep engine does sound pretty good...

Here are some stats:
Configuration: 60 degree V-6
Head/Block Material: Aluminum cylinder head, Compacted Graphite Iron engine block
Displacement: 3.0 liters, 182 cubic inches
Compression Ratio: 15.5 : 1
Bore: 3.27 inches
Stroke: 3.60 inches
Valvetrain: 24 valve, dual overhead cam
Injection: 29,000 psi common rail
Aspiration: Intercooled, water cooled variable geometry turbocharger (VGT)
Oil Capacity: 10.5 quarts with filter
Horsepower: 240hp @ 3,600 rpm
Torque: 420 lb-ft @ 2,000 rpm

180 kW sounds very nice but I am sure that I would be spending a few more dollars on it than a Terror wreck.
Are these engines imported like the chev engines are?

[Biskit]

MB, I know what you mean about paperwork tricky... I am quite sure that it will take a lot of 'fiddling' to get this through ADR, but thye biggest plus is that thecapacity is below that of the vehicle it is going into... should make it easier... :1087:

[Clunk]

I've read that this same engine has been used in other vehicles, I haven't heard too many people complain about their discos (apart from the fact that theyre landies in disguise) and Ive seen plenty of X5's get up and go...

Yes the patrol may be 400 kg heavier than a Terror, but then, it put out a few more kW than the standard gu donk too and the extra torque is worth some praise...

The way that I look at at it, if the engine doesn't have the same grenade properties as the ZD and you can tune them a bit to make them better, isnt a more reliable, more powerful engine something worth considering?

If not, what other V configuration diesels are out there to use (apart from the Toyota 200 series donk?)

Apologies, they didnt use this engine on the X5, the X5 was a straight 6, and from 2006 was bi-turbo, so no wonder it got up and boogied.

My old boss used to have a Disco 3 TD and trust me, it was a slug (still quicker than my GQ lol), but then again, they are heavier than a GU. But in saying that, I've also not read many complaints about the engine.

Good luck with the research and I hope you put up some info as you find it.

[Plasnart]

My old boss used to have a Disco 3 TD and trust me, it was a slug (still quicker than my GQ lol), but then again, they are heavier than a GU. But in saying that, I've also not read many complaints about the engine.

Serious? I have a mate once owned a disco and had no end of trouble. Never-ending mechanical troubles and ended up with bottom end busted. Discos have a worse reputation for reliability than the ZD30 in my circles. Am I mixing something up here?

[Clunk]

Serious? I have a mate once owned a disco and had no end of trouble. Never-ending mechanical troubles and ended up with bottom end busted. Discos have a worse reputation for reliability than the ZD30 in my circles. Am I mixing something up here?
Was that the disco 3 or the previous one with the 2.5 td?

[Plasnart]

Was that the disco 3 or the previous one with the 2.5 td?

I dunno mate, would have been a late 90's early 2000's disco probably.

[Biskit]

I thought that it was the 2.5s that had the issues

[Clunk]

I dunno mate, would have been a late 90's early 2000's disco probably.


I thought that it was the 2.5s that had the issues
Yep, series 1 & 2

[Biskit]

So, anyone... what other V config engines might be suitable as a transplant?

[Clunk]

So, anyone... what other V config engines might be suitable as a transplant?
Ummmm an LS1 [emoji6]

[Biskit]

Okay, what other V config DIESELS might be suitable a s a transplant?

[Ben-e-boy]

So, anyone... what other V config engines might be suitable as a transplant?

6v53tt...... uncorked

[nissannewby]

Okay, what other V config DIESELS might be suitable a s a transplant?

Why so set on a v configuration?

[Plasnart]

6v53tt...... uncorked

What about my fave 2-stroke 8V92T from the old Dennings I used to drive! Mmmmmmmm..............

Joke, dismiss.

[MB]

4.2TD :-) Our family cruiser 'Trol'rocks as near stock :-) ! Rossco, and many other NP gurus are running same, yet they're now throwing 12mm pumps and Borg's under hood to Kw/Nm peak em beyond belief :-)
Legally, still sweet :-) ?

[the evil twin]

Evil Twin, Why not (specifically)?

It has more electrics hanging off it than the Space Shuttle even the power steering.
You'll need to build/mod/fab/bodgy everything starting from A for Accelerator pedal
The extra weight will take a lot of the edge off the performance, fuel etc.
The tranny to engine match is pretty important to get right so the Patrol box and ratios may be an issue.
I don't even have the foggiest how the mounts etc will line up or whether a 'full' power train transplant would be better/easier.
You will need a pretty good cheque book to cover the fabrication costs and engineering certification.

[taslucas]

Firstly I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Secondly, what about the v6 diesel Volkswagen engines?
Thirdly, I have no idea about these things.

>>>tappin from tassie

[Ben-e-boy]

What about my fave 2-stroke 8V92T from the old Dennings I used to drive! Mmmmmmmm..............

Joke, dismiss.

Lol. I only said the 53 series as you only need 8-10 inches of body lift to shoehorn it in lol.

[mudski]

What about my fave 2-stroke 8V92T from the old Dennings I used to drive! Mmmmmmmm..............

Joke, dismiss.

Ahh! The old Bird scarer engine. All noise and no go. Good old days.
A mate of mine was running the 6V92 in his old truck a Fibreglass cab Atkinson I think i was. He used to have tin cans all strung up under his motor to catch all the oil from the all the leaks it had. Lol the memories.

[Biskit]

It has more electrics hanging off it than the Space Shuttle even the power steering.
You'll need to build/mod/fab/bodgy everything starting from A for Accelerator pedal
The extra weight will take a lot of the edge off the performance, fuel etc.
The tranny to engine match is pretty important to get right so the Patrol box and ratios may be an issue.
I don't even have the foggiest how the mounts etc will line up or whether a 'full' power train transplant would be better/easier.
You will need a pretty good cheque book to cover the fabrication costs and engineering certification.

Fair enough there are a number of points that you have raised that may be issues, but how much different is it from putting a LS in? (and people put themin quite often..)

Hence why I am still looking and asking questions...

The VW diesel engines may be another point to consider!

Any particular engine designator?

[Clunk]

Fair enough there are a number of points that you have raised that may be issues, but how much different is it from putting a LS in? (and people put themin quite often..)

Hence why I am still looking and asking questions...

The VW diesel engines may be another point to consider!

Any particular engine designator?
The V10 biturbo [emoji12]

[Biskit]

The 6V92T are a big and heavy engine... I am looking for something a bit less "truck like" or "Ship like"

[Biskit]

Now I know that you are all taking this VERY seriously but really, what kind of a shoehorn am I going to need for that! :animierte-smilies-f

[the evil twin]

snip...
Fair enough there are a number of points that you have raised that may be issues, but how much different is it from putting a LS in? (and people put themin quite often..)


The difference is exactly as you say... there are heaps of LS conversions and there are no, well I would imagine there are no Terry Trols.
No kits, no knowledge base, no adapters, no engineering etc.
The LS has a lot more gains than the Terry as well

That's why I wouldn't consider putting the V6 in a Patrol

[Biskit]

Okay, enough reality... I am still going to look into it further... I guess I'll start with Marks and see what happens from there.

[the evil twin]

snip... Okay, enough reality... I am still going to look into it further...

ROFL... and therein lay answer all along.
After all there had to be the early interest in LS and Chev and Duramax etc etc
There is certainly no wide spread issues with the engine itself.

Keep us posted how the investigatio turns out

[Biskit]

The LS is nice, but itis not diesel, hence why I haven't been considering it.

Duramax is awe inspiring but I didn't want to spend that much.

Diesel Chevs are new to me but I heard of them just recently.

Anybody else know about them?

[the evil twin]

snip...
Diesel Chevs are new to me but I heard of them just recently.

Anybody else know about them?

Thats what I have in mine... Chev 6.5 litre turbo intercooled
Very popular engine change out.
Mine was already done when I bought it.

[Benno7]

ok the territory engine is not a ford engine it is a citroen engine which is used in the peugeot 607, jaguar xf 2005 - 2010 (twin turbo), landrover discovery 3 + 4 2005 - 2011 (single turbo) and range rover sport 2005 - 2010 (single turbo). It is a bit under powered in the discos and sports but still better than the rd28 in a patrol, if you were considering doing this you may want to look at the 3.0 v6 used across the JLR range (XF Jag to RR Vogue) which is twin turbo and basically the same motor with huge improvements.

[Clunk]

ok the territory engine is not a ford engine it is a citroen engine which is used in the peugeot 607, jaguar xf 2005 - 2010 (twin turbo), landrover discovery 3 + 4 2005 - 2011 (single turbo) and range rover sport 2005 - 2010 (single turbo). It is a bit under powered in the discos and sports but still better than the rd28 in a patrol, if you were considering doing this you may want to look at the 3.0 v6 used across the JLR range (XF Jag to RR Vogue) which is twin turbo and basically the same motor with huge improvements.
It is a ford engine......

The Lion engine family was developed and manufactured at Ford's Dagenham Diesel Centre for use in*PSA Peugeot Citroënvehicles (as*DT17*as part of joint venture begun in 1999),*Jaguar Cars*(as the*AJD-V6), and Land Rover vehicles. The engines share the same bore/stroke ratio, with the*V6displacing 2.7L and the*V8*displacing 3.6L. The V6 was launched in 2004 and as of 2011 also serves in Ford Australia's Territory SUV; the V8 in 2006. The V6 engine meets the Euro IV emissions standards. A 3.0L was added in 2009 and is based on the 2.7L.

[the evil twin]

OK... who the F#$@ is the smart rrse that hacked Clunks account?

There is NO way a post that is coherent, relavent, accurate and doesn't have porn was EVER keyed and posted by our Clunk...

[taslucas]

Cut and paste my man, cut and paste

>>>tappin from tassie

[Biskit]

No need to get to Fisticuffs here... But there does seem to be some sort of disparity here...

I like the sound of a twin turbo version of anything, especiallly if I can get my hands on one.

I just get the feeling that this will be more expensive than what I am prepared to pay!

The looking continues!

[taslucas]

What are your wants/needs for the patrol?

>>>tappin from tassie

[Biskit]

Looking for another engine in case mine goes bang... I like the idea of a V6 cos they are generally smaller displacements (smaller capacity means better fuel economy) and smaller in physical size.

If there was a 5 litre (or smaller) V8 I would consider that too...

Oh, and a DIESEL...

[taslucas]

I kind of ment; what type of driving/use do you want out of the patrol? Different engines suit different tasks.


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[Biskit]

I want to be able to do a trip to the cape and some other top end destinations, do some local tracks and use the car for touring/camping.

I have got the gear to lift it either two or four inches and want to be able to make it capable in some of the harder stuff (vic highcountry)

I haven't been 4wding for a long time and I want to experience a whole gammut of 4wd types of terrain.

[Irish]

Average price for an LS or Chev conversion to be professionally done is anywhere from 10-15k, thats with commercially tested off the shelf bolt in kit components.

Unless you have mad fabrication skills, any engine you try to slot in that doesn't have a conversion kit already out there is going to run you a lot more.

I was going to go v8 conversion but decided it'll be cheaper to turbo my petrol donk instead, will definitely give more power and might help with economy when freeway driving.

[taslucas]

A new member, LostBenji mentioned plans to beef up the internals of his zd30. Would that be an option for you? I would guess it would come in a lot cheaper than a conversion and with a lot less hassles.

>>>tappin from tassie

[BillsGU]

...... built and developed by Ford UK

So it will leak oil all over your driveway?

[taslucas]

So it will leak oil all over your driveway?
Better than into the egr I guess lol

>>>tappin from tassie

[Biskit]

No more than the valiant that I used to have! :offtopic:

[Biskit]

The only reason that I have started this post is to see if anyone else has considered putting a different engine into the car if it went bang.

From all the magazines that I have read i can see that there is a tried and true way (good and dependable if not monotonous) and then there are the few that thunk "outside the box" and made something that worked really well. I like the idea of airbag suspension (2 to 4 inch lift at the twist of a dial and good ride comfort always)
and I like remotely disconnectable sway bars (pull a lever and it flexes like a sick giraffe) I don't mind doing things a bit differently...

You can bag me for trying something new, but I would rather be remembered for being the bloke who broke new ground and paved the way... (ironic in a 4wding scene)

Lucky last, anyone have any ideas of what might be a good engine to replace a ZD30? (think V config (or anything else except an inline four(or six)), less than 5 litres, DIESEL engine)

:feedback:

[Hodge]

Lucky last, anyone have any ideas of what might be a good engine to replace a ZD30? (think V config (or anything else except an inline four(or six)), less than 5 litres, DIESEL engine)

:feedback:

One from the dark side for you...
1VD-FTV

[taslucas]

There are plenty of people that have considered and also have pulled off engine conversions. The tried and true conversions are tried and true.... That means they are considered a good way to go for a lot of reasons.

Basically you want to do something different for the sake of doing something different? To be remembered as the guy that did something different. But you're asking people to recommend an engine. Basically if you want to break new ground then you really have to go it alone otherwise you're just copying. Don't worry, no one is bagging you out!
If you look hard enough there are more 4wd conversions than you can poke a stick at. Everything from a twin turbo rb26dett frying 37s to 6.5 diesel chev torque monster (as mentioned above).
Maybe just make a list of all the v configuration diesel engines under 5 litre and work out the pros and cons?
Just remember, doing something completely different can turn into a big headache and possibly be more trouble than its worth.

>>>tappin from tassie

[Biskit]

You are right Taslucas, I will have to go it alone as anything that anyone tells me here wont necessarily be what I want.

Yes Hodge, I had considered the toyo V8, but after driving one for three years, its too heavy and I may as well put in a chev for all the electrical hassles.

[Ben-e-boy]

The 3.0 V6 diesel that comes in the jeep. I believe it is built by vm mottori. Banks diesel in the states are doing some impressive things with this motor.

Do you know much about the 3.0L v6 eco diesel from dodge?

EDIT... scrap that. Same engine

[taslucas]

Well I hope you start a build thread whichever way you go so we can see it all happen. :-)

>>>tappin from tassie

[Plasnart]

Go for it Biskit!!

66898

[Biskit]

I will document anything that I do, just don't be disappointed if nothing shows up for a while...

and yes, the Jeep V6 is very inyteresting!

[happygu]

What about the V6 Diesel out of the Navara ...... 3.0 Litre and 170kW before Chip & Exhaust ..... much betterer than the other options.

[Clunk]

What about the V6 Diesel out of the Navara ...... 3.0 Litre and 170kW before Chip & Exhaust ..... much betterer than the other options.
Im guessing thats out of the NP550.....

[taslucas]

Im guessing thats out of the NP550.....
Is that the Volkswagen? I think the navara has the same v6 diesel as the amarok

>>>tappin from tassie

[Hodge]

Is that the Volkswagen? I think the navara has the same v6 diesel as the amarok

>>>tappin from tassie
The 550 navara uses the v9x engine which is a Renault built unit. Fark it has some balls. Don't know on its reliability though.

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[taslucas]

Ahh cool. Yeah a mate worked at a Nissan dealer and took us for a spin in one. Bloody hell it went!

>>>tappin from tassie

[Biskit]

There you go, I didn't even know that Nissan were already putting V6's into their cars!

[threedogs]

I will document anything that I do, just don't be disappointed if nothing shows up for a while...

and yes, the Jeep V6 is very inyteresting!

Plenty of BMW powered GUs in Europe

[Jonesy_sa]

I'm surprised the Ford Ranger diesel hasn't come up. My mate has on with a 6 spd and 3.2lt diesel. The engine and box combo would be nice. I'm not sure how it would go with gearing but the kerb weight is about 1900kg for the Ranger compared with I beleive the LWB GQ TD42 at about 2115kg. However the Ranger with the 3.2 has a towing capacity to 3.5 ton which is interesting.
I think this would be a very good option!

[gubigfish]

personally not sure I'd be buying a Ranger or putting a Ranger motor into anything let alone a Patrol.....

[Jonesy_sa]

why? I was under the impression they were bullet proof? UK guys have been pulling them out of transits and installing in Defenders etc. Thats the 3.2 engine.

[gubigfish]

that's hilarious couldn't be further from the truth

[Hodge]

that's hilarious couldn't be further from the truth

Just curious what do you know about them gub? I never really paid much attention to them at all. I know my cousins one has had motor issues since the first week of owning it. It spent more time on their hoists then it did on the road. But other than that I don't know anyone who owns one. I assumed they were a good breed.

[Clunk]

why? I was under the impression they were bullet proof? UK guys have been pulling them out of transits and installing in Defenders etc. Thats the 3.2 engine.

thought they only used a 2.2 in the Transits

[Jonesy_sa]

that's hilarious couldn't be further from the truth

Can you elaborate please. I did a search and couldn't find anything related to the 3.2 only earlier 2.2/2.4 etc etc


thought they only used a 2.2 in the Transits

Definitely in the UK the 3.2 was an option. There isn't allot of info out there but the Defender guys talk about the Transit and Ranger 3.2 as if it is the same engine.

[gubigfish]

Can you elaborate please. I did a search and couldn't find anything related to the 3.2 only earlier 2.2/2.4 etc etc


Ford make the owners sign a NDA before they will fix the issue, was told through a 3rd party I trust. Unfortunately all the new cars are not built to last and all have issues of some description.

[ozjeff]

Been there done that with the conversion. Didn't want to try 3 times lucky with a ZD. I wanted a TD but have an Auto so it wasn't as straight forward and no one really had a decent TD around at the time. Looked and just about went a Barra, but not many had been done yet.

In the end I went LS. Anything goes wrong parts everywhere and it's cheaper to replace than even a diesel pump sh!tting itself. Damn fun to drive and it sounds nice :) - haven't had any issues in water crossings which was my main concern (aprt from the serpentine belt squealling it's head off for a little bit).