Roof top tent

[dave97]

So SWMBO and I are looking into camping with the 3 kids a bit more, whilst some will be in caravan parks I really want to get to some more remote locations and actually see this beautiful country, so knowing that towing a camper trailer is not always possible or sometimes easier not to I have started looking at roof top tents, found some that look and have room for us and the 3 kids, however my question is, is it possible to get a set up tent + anex and awning and still be able to use some of the roof rack, or will this idea mean pulling out the angle grinder, mig and customizing it completley? is anyone willing to show pics of their set ups? Cheers

[Cuppa]

Some rooftop tents take up the whole roof & fold out giving an awning/annexe. These are self supporting. Some fold out the bed area & require the ladder to remain in situ to hold half the tent up. There are a few types with the supporting ladder which also have annexes, but the ladder remains in the middle of the annexe.

The one I have can be left up during the day with the ladder removed. I would suggest this type for 5 of you as the kids would have plenty of room to sleep in the annexe & enough room to get out of the weather on the occasions it turns foul.

These pics are taken off the ’net as we don’t have any with all the annexe walls set up - because we’ve never bothered.

If you’re on Facebook - plenty more pics - https://www.facebook.com/shippshaperooftoptents


Features we appreciate in the design are:
Shade & shelter without need for poles - Two poles only if awning or annexe is put up. Annexe zips onto the awning. The awning is the tent’s cover when packed, no need to store a separate cover. If repairs are ever needed, the cover is easily removable from the rest of the tent. Sit’s lower on the roof when packed up than many. With the design the ‘doors’ to the tent can remain open in even the worst weather ensuring plenty of airflow. Newer versions due for release soon also have a heavy vinyl floor. I think it will velcro into place. We did consider a similar design but with a sewn in groundsheet, but it didn’t allow for the larger annexe & was less flexible in how you could set it up. We felt it would be easy enough to put a tarp or matting down if required .... but we never have never bothered with more than a couple of foam mats at the bottom of the ladder.

The shippshape’s aren’t cheap, but they are quality & will last, ( ours is about 12 years old) plus hold their value if looked after. If you look at getting a second hand one expect to pay around $2k to $3K. They have been off the market for a while but their second hand market has continued. New ones are now available to order & with the full annexe & all the bells & whistles will set you back around $5k
We paid $2 ½K (with the full annexe) but then turfed the knackered foam mattress & replaced it with a single sided made to measure inner spring one for another $600. Very comfy.

Video of ours set up for the first time. (http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/media.php?do=details&mid=57)

[Clunk]

Just another option to look at other than a rooftop tent. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=26233

We were in the same sort of situation, wanted something that was quick and easy to setup, and also needing something that was big enough to sleep the 5 of us comfortably. Thought about a rooftop tent but didn't want to have to pack it all up if we decided to go for a drive and didn't really want anything that was going to be pretty much permanently installed on the roof.

[dave97]

Just another option to look at other than a rooftop tent. http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?t=26233

Thought about a rooftop tent but didn't want to have to pack it all up if we decided to go for a drive and didn't really want anything that was going to be pretty much permanently installed on the roof.

How are they mounted? Is it possible to fabricate a frame work to take the weight and drive out from underneath it? Or will accessing the side that's folded out be too hard to get to?

[threedogs]

Not sure how your wife will feel climbing down a ladder in the midddle of the night.
I dread the thought. There are plenty of easy to erect pyramid style tents, and geo type that the kids can share
The lot packing up to bugger all compared to a rooftop which makes you top heavy and not very fuel freindly.
just saying as travelling as light as you can puts less stress on the vehicle

[Avo]

I had a steel one and chopped it up so I still had room for storage at the front,kids sleep in rooftop Mrs and myself in the awening annex.....try and pack ther kids bedding and pillows,Pj's and some other clothes in the rooftop before you head out,this is how we save a bit of room in the car.

cheers

[Avo]

also I might add it takes about 5 min to set a tent up and probably less than 10 min to pack up,it does suck if you want to go for a night drive or and early morning fish..but that's about the only time,we try and park close to thwe beach so I can just walk.

[Clunk]

How are they mounted?
By pegs........

[dave97]

Sorry should have been clearer, i was actually meaning how are the roof top tents mounted? Do they an independent frame work or are they just resting on top of the roof with no support underneath. i have looked at tents found an oztrail i didn't mind but don't think porta cots would work well in them and they are just a pain to set up and pack up and getting them back in the original back is mission impossible most of the time

[Cuppa]

if you want to go for a night drive or and early morning fish..but that's about the only time,we try and park close to thwe beach so I can just walk.

A few more thoughts.

Yep, there really are no ‘perfect solutions’. We loved the comfort, convenience & flexibility of our bus towing two trail bikes behind. But when the fishing spot was several kilometres from the camp spot over soft sandy tracks we just didn’t go fishing, & when touring Australia off road distances from camp are often greater than the fuel range of the bikes. With a 4wd & rooftop tent we can camp at the fishing spot, but need to think ahead with regard to provisions. Having to pack up to go to the shops or just to explore & then return is a bit of a pain.

A separate tent or camper trailer overcomes having to pack everything up if needing to go for a drive, but either means towing or more set up/pack up time or both. (I’ve seen folk take 3 hours to pack up their bells & whistles camper trailer - ok if going to one spot to stay, but useless for touring. There is a lot to be said for a ‘permanent’ bed compared to having to set up bedding as well as a tent (regardless of whether it is a ground or trailer tent). Same with the number of poles & pegs. At one time we had a great Southern Cross ‘pyramid’ type tent. It was very quick to put up - we even called it a ‘marriage saver’. 4 pegs & a centre pole & it was up, but when you add the additonal time to for pulling it in & out of the vehicle, setting it up/down, getting the bedding out & making the beds etc the time taken was a lot more than with our RTT. Sleeping on the ground loses it’s appeal the older you get. Which compromise will suit really depends upon your use & how you intend to travel & for how long. For travel where set up is regular over a long period of time every extra minute between stopping to being sat down relaxing becomes a tiresome chore. The shorter the time period of travel or the lower the frequency of needing to set up the easier it is to accept longer set up/pack up times.

Our compromise now, with the Tvan, is limited headroom in the ‘bedroom’, & needing to tow. It does however mean overnight set ups of between 1 & 5 minutes, (20 to 30 minutes for longer term camps), a permanent comfy bed, not needing to pack up everything to go for a drive, & the ability to get to that fishing spot. I’d love one of those new 4wd Iveco’s with a Scrubmaster (http://www.traveltrucks.com.au/expedition-camper) camper body on it, or an OKA based motorhome (http://www.byles.net/www.oka4wd.com/members-vehicles-public/569-oka196-xt-motorhome), but they are beyond our budget. Always bleedin’ compromises!

[dave97]

Decisions decisions, anyone got a winning xloto ticket they are willing to pass this way :P them could just buy one of every option in the garage and just take the one suited to the situation.

thank you all for the information and giving me more to think about, now i just need to work out what we are going to compromise about and suit us best, whether it's quick and easy but less mobility or time consuming and more mobility.

[Avo]

you always have all of the above..never have too much camping gear..over time it's amazing how much gear you can gather for a good camping trip

[threedogs]

you always have all of the above..never have too much camping gear..over time it's amazing how much gear you can gather for a good camping trip

Ahmen to that ,

[BigRAWesty]

I have always liked a roof top tent. But it's always held back due to kids, and the pain when leaving for day trips etc.

Would be great for a touring trip.
I guess like Neil said. One of everything lol.

So how do people go with say 2 adults and 2 young kids in the roof top tent??

When their older they'll be in there own accommodation.. Either a small tent or swag. What ever. So it's purely say kids up to 10 years old??

Anyone do it?

[gregs]

I have always liked a roof top tent. But it's always held back due to kids, and the pain when leaving for day trips etc.

Would be great for a touring trip.
I guess like Neil said. One of everything lol.

So how do people go with say 2 adults and 2 young kids in the roof top tent??

When their older they'll be in there own accommodation.. Either a small tent or swag. What ever. So it's purely say kids up to 10 years old??

Anyone do it?

Nope never done it always had a big tent or a camper trailer but have come across these guys, Austrack campers, they used to be in Hervey Bay but moved to the sunny coast. A mate has one of their roof top tents and it is still as good as new even after a few years of use. I think the width will be a concern with having 2 kids in there as well as most of them are only 1.4m wide (but that won't be the mattress width they are usually 1.2-1.3 wide). Here is a link to their xl model http://www.austrackcampers.com.au/xl-roof-top-tent/ (you may have to copy and paste, not too sure if the link will come through). I have no affiliation with these guys what so ever, don't even know them, don't even know if they are made here in Oz (never been bothered enough to go through their website to find out!!). Their website is www.austrackcampers.com.au

[Stropp]

i will have my hannibal rtt and a supa peg custom awning for sale soon as im going to get a vista rv camper, im in wa though so it may be a long trip to get it, it bolts onto a roof rack through the mesh base or you can get roof bars and bolt through that, the awning is made to cover to the back of the tent when its open.

[threedogs]

Never been a fan of those RTTs I wouldnt like to be climbing
down in the middle of the night ,bare feet skinny ladder rungs just a PITB.
Not much alternatives maybe an awning with walls or a pyrimad tent. Having
60kg or better up high will put your fuel figures through the roof. At least with a tent
you have the option of just leaving with out the need to basically fold up your campsite.

Ive seen those Magnillino ones in the flesh with the hard lid but again you
have to climb a ladder to get into them. The AMA states the anyone over the age of 40
shouldnt be climbing ladders, and with a RTT you'll be doing it at night and maybe over the limit lol

[Stropp]

doesnt make any difference to my fuel consumption but thats what happens when you get bigger turbo and more boost

[BigRAWesty]

Never been a fan of those RTTs I wouldnt like to be climbing down in the middle of the night ,bare feet skinny ladder rungs just a PITB. Not much alternatives maybe an awning with walls or a pyrimad tent. Having 60kg or better up high will put your fuel figures through the roof. At least with a tent you have the option of just leaving with out the need to basically fold up your campsite. Ive seen those Magnillino ones in the flesh with the hard lid but again you have to climb a ladder to get into them. The AMA states the anyone over the age of 40 shouldnt be climbing ladders, and with a RTT you'll be doing it at night and maybe over the limit lol

My ground tent is 40 kg alone.
Then the tables etc.
so to loose the tables and tent for a rtt and pretty
Much eliminate setup times for the loss of 20kg. I'd cop that when touring.

[krbrooking]

My ground tent is 40 kg alone. Then the tables etc. so to loose the tables and tent for a rtt and pretty Much eliminate setup times for the loss of 20kg. I'd cop that when touring.

Would you still not need the tables for food prep and so on.

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[BigRAWesty]

We have a pull out bench in the draw system.
And the cooker has its own stand.
Plan is to fold over the back. That way the annex covers the back end of the car.
All the clothes bags, pantry and living is covered if it's not a nice day.
Side awning for cooking under.
I'm still a long way off if ever doing it. But it's nice to dream.

[Malgreen]

57363just to throw my hat in to the ring....

57359

the only thing i dont like is the mattress, i find it to hard to sleep on so i am looking for and alternative...

57360

i have room for my spare tyre and camping chairs up there with the RTT

57361

[BigRAWesty]

<img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57363"/>just to throw my hat in to the ring.... <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57359"/> the only thing i dont like is the mattress, i find it to hard to sleep on so i am looking for and alternative... <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57360"/> i have room for my spare tyre and camping chairs up there with the RTT <img src="http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=57361"/>

How many of you mate?

[Malgreen]

at the moment mate, its just me....
but i have seen a setup with 2 of these tents on the same roof... one for the kids and one for the grown ups,,,

[BigRAWesty]

Yea 2 seperate ones is outta the question atm due to kids age.

[jono6974]

I have been searching for a RTT. There are so many to choose from.
Darche seem to come highly recommended, or are the cheaper ones on ebay just as good?
I plan to get the annexe too. Not sure where we will sleep, 2 adults and 2 children. Maybe kids in annexe.