Powder Coating Alluminium

[Bigrig]

G'day all

Quick one - has anyone powder coated either their alloy rims and/or bullbar??? Looking into doing it, but not sure after researching the net about chipping etc.

Thanks in advance.

[Finly Owner]

Scott, powder coating does go through heating process, so make sure it's strong alloy piping. Ally fencing is powder coated with no probs. Powder coated gear should withstand chipping as that's why it's used, giving a stronger finish than paint.

[Bigrig]

Scott, powder coating does go through heating process, so make sure it's strong alloy piping. Ally fencing is powder coated with no probs. Powder coated gear should withstand chipping as that's why it's used, giving a stronger finish than paint.

Thanks mate - the heat shouldn't be an issue (so the sales people tell me!!) but I'm more concerned about chipping on the rims (of course) than the bar - the bar will get stones hitting it every now and then, but it "should" withstand that ... the rims on the other hand get dragged along rocky ledges and bogholes and I'm just a bit on the fence as to whether they'd withstand it. A normal car, sure ... but a fourbie??

[Finly Owner]

I was advised to do my rims in 2pak instead of powder coating.

[Bigrig]

I was advised to do my rims in 2pak instead of powder coating.

Yeah, I've heard that also, but I do like the powder coat finish ... decisions, decisions ...

[Clunk]

i was always under the impression that powder coating was pretty damn tuff stuff and pretty damn chip resistant......

[patch697]

OK... Powder coating is a hard & very durable product. Its a lot more durable than paint & although more costly Truck & 4x4 accessories manufactures have been using it on alloy & steel bull bars, roll bars, roof racks, rear bars.....exc for many years with no problems. It will scratch, chip & flake after many, many years of abuse from the sun & sky but at a much slower rate than a painted product ever would so all in all a blood good product IMO.

That being said I would choose NOT to use it on Alloy Wheels (although there will be some who may disagree here) as I think its too hard & because of this will chip easier & the product is not fun to get off when it does.

I would recommend using a 2pac baste system with a flex aid added to the paint (which is done at the gun stage) & this will give you a hi gloss but almost rubbery finish that will resist stone chipping & scratching (I did say resist here) much more so than powder coat will.

Only my opinion here but this 2pac method is tried & proven for me & if you do need to touch up a rim from a scrape it can be done without stripping the hole wheel back.

If a rim does need to be stripped back its ten times easier & cheaper to strip 2pac than powder coat I can assure you.

Hope I've helped mate.

[Clunk]

OK... Powder coating is a hard & very durable product. Its a lot more durable than paint & although more costly Truck & 4x4 accessories manufactures have been using it on alloy & steel bull bars, roll bars, roof racks, rear bars.....exc for many years with no problems. It will scratch, chip & flake after many, many years of abuse from the sun & sky but at a much slower rate than a painted product ever would so all in all a blood good product IMO.

That being said I would choose NOT to use it on Alloy Wheels (although there will be some who may disagree here) as I think its too hard & because of this will chip easier & the product is not fun to get off when it does.

I would recommend using a 2pac baste system with a flex aid added to the paint (which is done at the gun stage) & this will give you a hi gloss but almost rubbery finish that will resist stone chipping & scratching (I did say resist here) much more so than powder coat will.

Only my opinion here but this 2pac method is tried & proven for me & if you do need to touch up a rim from a scrape it can be done without stripping the hole wheel back.

If a rim does need to be stripped back its ten times easier & cheaper to strip 2pac than powder coat I can assure you.

Hope I've helped mate.

Helped me immensely, cheers bud

[Bigrig]

OK... Powder coating is a hard & very durable product. Its a lot more durable than paint & although more costly Truck & 4x4 accessories manufactures have been using it on alloy & steel bull bars, roll bars, roof racks, rear bars.....exc for many years with no problems. It will scratch, chip & flake after many, many years of abuse from the sun & sky but at a much slower rate than a painted product ever would so all in all a blood good product IMO.

That being said I would choose NOT to use it on Alloy Wheels (although there will be some who may disagree here) as I think its too hard & because of this will chip easier & the product is not fun to get off when it does.

I would recommend using a 2pac baste system with a flex aid added to the paint (which is done at the gun stage) & this will give you a hi gloss but almost rubbery finish that will resist stone chipping & scratching (I did say resist here) much more so than powder coat will.

Only my opinion here but this 2pac method is tried & proven for me & if you do need to touch up a rim from a scrape it can be done without stripping the hole wheel back.

If a rim does need to be stripped back its ten times easier & cheaper to strip 2pac than powder coat I can assure you.

Hope I've helped mate.

Bootiful mate - thanks a million!!! So powder coat the bar, but 2pac on the rims with a flex aid added?? I just want them all black, so not overly concerned if they don't have the same finish up close - so long as the colours match.

[patch697]

Bootiful mate - thanks a million!!! So powder coat the bar, but 2pac on the rims with a flex aid added?? I just want them all black, so not overly concerned if they don't have the same finish up close - so long as the colours match.

The 2pac finish is the same you would expect from your due-co on your car its really that good & flexible enough for you to be able to sink your finger nail in & not mark it.

Its bloody good stuff Scotty.

[Bigrig]

The 2pac finish is the same you would expect from your due-co on your car its really that good & flexible enough for you to be able to sink your finger nail in & not mark it.

Its bloody good stuff Scotty.

Top sh!t ... As said, want to colour the bullbar and rims ... Thinking black would look good on the rig - Ryans had black rims the other night when he was over and his truck is the same colour as mine, so it somewhat motivated me!!

[Clunk]

is it pricey?

[patch697]

is it pricey?

Bloody cheaper than powder coating & the prep work is about the same.

[Bigrig]

Bloody cheaper than powder coating & the prep work is about the same.

I might just get it all painted ... would be easier ...

[Clunk]

Bloody cheaper than powder coating & the prep work is about the same.

nice one, cheers for that...... will have to that to my ever expanding list of things to do lol

[patch697]

I might just get it all painted ... would be easier ...

Mate I would be if it were mine & I probably will then I get my steel winch bar in fact.

[patch697]

nice one, cheers for that...... will have to that to my ever expanding list of things to do lol

We who drive Patrols all have one of them mate.....lolololol Its cos we don't brake so we can afford to think about the other things likes custom work.....WooHoo

[Dark 1]

Sorry Patch but i have to disagree. I work with aluminium & pc [powder coat] is the only way to go. It is very hard to get any form of piant to stick to ally even with etch priming. Pc is stronger, more durable & a better finish [in my mind]. My advice is to get your ally parts blasted [ with a fine gannet solution] & then send them to pc.
The pc process is -
1 the ally parts gointo an acid bath which cleans & prepares the metal for the next step.
2 goes through a water rinse & then into a chromate solution which seals the pores of the metal [primes] & gives the metal a strong surface to bond to
3 then another water rinse
4 products are either drip dried or prebaked in the oven for a short time.
5 then the products [once dry] are put in the pc booth, sprayed with electo charged powder
6 placed in oven & baked at approx 200 degres.

My only concern would be that it can be very hard to get a decent coat of powder into tight crevices [common around wheels].
Just my 2 cents Scotty. Just remember any sand blasting of ally should be fine gannet or soda.

[Bigrig]

Righto - now I am confused. Just had the powder coater call me back, and took him through my concerns about PC chipping etc - his exact response - "bullsh!t". He went a step further than typical sales rubbish which is sort of a clincher for me. Gave me the phone number of his brother who is a specialist fabricator in brissy doing rock sliders, barwork, custom trays etc who gets ALL of his gear powder coated through this company due to it's durability etc. I'm green to this, but I'm not a complete cabbage head, and that sounds like a pretty bloody good reference.

Absolute worst case scenario for cost for all 5 wheels and the bullbar (with full prep treatment etc) is $680 ... again, that sounds fairly decent to me, and he said if they are in good condition like I said, then it would be less ...

Hmmmm ....

[Bigrig]

Sorry Patch but i have to disagree. I work with aluminium & pc [powder coat] is the only way to go. It is very hard to get any form of piant to stick to ally even with etch priming. Pc is stronger, more durable & a better finish [in my mind]. My advice is to get your ally parts blasted [ with a fine gannet solution] & then send them to pc.
The pc process is -
1 the ally parts gointo an acid bath which cleans & prepares the metal for the next step.
2 goes through a water rinse & then into a chromate solution which seals the pores of the metal [primes] & gives the metal a strong surface to bond to
3 then another water rinse
4 products are either drip dried or prebaked in the oven for a short time.
5 then the products [once dry] are put in the pc booth, sprayed with electo charged powder
6 placed in oven & baked at approx 200 degres.

My only concern would be that it can be very hard to get a decent coat of powder into tight crevices [common around wheels].
Just my 2 cents Scotty. Just remember any sand blasting of ally should be fine gannet or soda.

Thanks mate - I must have been typing as you were .. yep, seems you are saying the same thing he was.

[Dark 1]

That seems like a top price Scotty , i'd go for that if i were in your shoes. 2 cents.

[Bigrig]

That seems like a top price Scotty , i'd go for that if i were in your shoes. 2 cents.

That's sorta what I thought - oh well, Tank is getting some makeup done!!!!

[Bob]

Powder Coating finish looks great and I would agree with the Bull Bar getting done. Wheels ???????

[Bigrig]

Powder Coating finish looks great and I would agree with the Bull Bar getting done. Wheels ???????

I figured black all round - seen some around that look the goods ... time will tell ... be the first set of Ti wheels that I would have seen done though, most are sunraysia's or after market rims bought in the colour ...

[Bob]

Black is Back

[Bigrig]

Black is Back

Oh contrare my furry little friend ... they have about 8 different blacks to choose from ... don't ask! I have no idea why ... I actually told them that if that was the case, then I wanted "bats arse" black, but apparently that isn't one of the current selection!!! LOL

[Clunk]

surely black is black is black, anythink else just wouldnt be....... lol

[Bob]

surely black is black is black, anythink else just wouldnt be....... lol

Actually Black is supposed to be called Ebony

[Clunk]

Actually Black is supposed to be called Ebony

is that for PC reasons?

[Bob]

yep..............

[Clunk]

yep..............

hahaha well nutsax to that, I think all this PC stuff has gone way overboard lately.

[Bigrig]

Actually Black is supposed to be called Ebony

I'm sure it's actually meant to be called Ebony just because it sounds flasherer ... LOL!!!!

[Bob]

I'm sure it's actually meant to be called Ebony just because it sounds flasherer ... LOL!!!!

Must add this word to my Dictionary

[Clunk]

Must add this word to my Dictionary

hahahahah, shouldn't it be FLASHEER???

[Bigrig]

Yep - "flasherer" - adverb: to be more flash than the crap competition, to exude flashiness, to be as flash as flash can be ...

LMFAO!!!!

[Bob]

Yep - "flasherer" - adverb: to be more flash than the crap competition, to exude flashiness, to be as flash as flash can be ...

LMFAO!!!!

Cant argue with that. I am speechless LOL

[Clunk]

Yep - "flasherer" - adverb: to be more flash than the crap competition, to exude flashiness, to be as flash as flash can be ...

LMFAO!!!!
hahahahaha ya clown!!!!! From now on if I get stuck with me spelling, I'll no longer be using the Oxford or Chambers English dictionary, I'll be headin straight for BIGRIG's Coreected English Dikssunary

[Airstrike]

PC is a good option as long as some muppet doesnt cut/rip your weights off and swap for standard ones :(

[patch697]

Sorry Patch but i have to disagree. I work with aluminium & pc [powder coat] is the only way to go. It is very hard to get any form of piant to stick to ally even with etch priming. Pc is stronger, more durable & a better finish [in my mind]. My advice is to get your ally parts blasted [ with a fine gannet solution] & then send them to pc.
The pc process is -
1 the ally parts gointo an acid bath which cleans & prepares the metal for the next step.
2 goes through a water rinse & then into a chromate solution which seals the pores of the metal [primes] & gives the metal a strong surface to bond to
3 then another water rinse
4 products are either drip dried or prebaked in the oven for a short time.
5 then the products [once dry] are put in the pc booth, sprayed with electo charged powder
6 placed in oven & baked at approx 200 degres.

My only concern would be that it can be very hard to get a decent coat of powder into tight crevices [common around wheels].
Just my 2 cents Scotty. Just remember any sand blasting of ally should be fine gannet or soda.

I don't disagree.... Powder coat is a bloody good product for sure & I have no problems recommending it at all but I too have been in the alloy industry for about 26 years a qualified metal finisher & have seen fist hand how well a 2pac product will stand up to its task.

But hay thats why we are here to throw around ideas & personal experiences to get the best we can out of every situation & you gotta love that.

[Bigrig]

hahahahaha ya clown!!!!! From now on if I get stuck with me spelling, I'll no longer be using the Oxford or Chambers English dictionary, I'll be headin straight for BIGRIG's Coreected English Dikssunary

Doent get cort out agen end imbarress yorself mate - cum strate to BigRig end get propa ingleesh!!!! LOL

[Airstrike]

PC is a good option as long as some muppet doesnt cut/rip your weights off and swap for standard ones :( still looks flashiester

[Clunk]

Doent get cort out agen end imbarress yorself mate - cum strate to BigRig end get propa ingleesh!!!! LOL


hahahaha yes Mr Bigrig, I will bear that in mind next time

[Bigrig]

I don't disagree.... Powder coat is a bloody good product for sure & I have no problems recommending it at all but I too have been in the alloy industry for about 26 years a qualified metal finisher & have seen fist hand how well a 2pac product will stand up to its task.

But hay thats why we are here to throw around ideas & personal experiences to get the best we can out of every situation & you gotta love that.

You two are kidding right??? All you have done is confuse the sh!t out of me .. and what's worse, is you're both arguing and acting like little children who want their own way ... and it hurts ... I mean, really hurts to see you two fight ... can't we all just get along ... can't we all just agree on whatever "he" said and not rock the boat ... can't we all just walk around on egg shells all the time so we don't upset anyone???

Nahhhhh ... f#ck that ... fight, fight, fight !!!! LOLOLOL!!!!

Thanks for the honest opinions lads - if anything, exactly as Patch stated, throwing around these ideas has helped me down a different path than what I asked for --- I am probably not going to do anything for the moment and let time make the decision ...

[Bob]

Thanks for the honest opinions lads - if anything, exactly as Patch stated, throwing around these ideas has helped me down a different path than what I asked for --- I am probably not going to do anything for the moment and let time make the decision ...

You mean that you let us all carry on like Pork Chops and you are not going to take our valuable advice

Last time I help you out LOL

[Clunk]

Think I might just use Hammerite paint instead lol

[Bigrig]

I don't disagree.... Powder coat is a bloody good product for sure & I have no problems recommending it at all but I too have been in the alloy industry for about 26 years a qualified metal finisher & have seen fist hand how well a 2pac product will stand up to its task.

But hay thats why we are here to throw around ideas & personal experiences to get the best we can out of every situation & you gotta love that.


You mean that you let us all carry on like Pork Chops and you are not going to take our valuable advice

Last time I help you out LOL


"Valuable advice"?? What?? When you informed me that "black is black" ... oh, and that priceless trinket, "it is actually called Ebony .." ... yeah mate ... top effort !!!! ROFLMFAO!!!!!

Nahhh ... it will happen, but as said, seeing as it is 'cosmetic surgery' for the big boy, I figure no rush ...

Thanks to you Bob and everyone else for your "valued" feedback and advice!!! LOL ... God I love this place!!! ...

[Dark 1]

Ahhgh righty'o. You make me & patch argue & then not gonna do it now. WELL !!
Only jokin guys, like a say in alot of my posts only my personal opinions.
Even tho I know i'm right & you should do as I say!! Roflol.

[Bigrig]

Ahhgh righty'o. You make me & patch argue & then not gonna do it now. WELL !!
Only jokin guys, like a say in alot of my posts only my personal opinions.
Even tho I know i'm right & you should do as I say!! Roflol.

Wasn't hard to get you girls bickering though was it!! LOL ...

I'm gunna do it mate, just toying with when .. in the coming 4 weeks I've got the rear custom spacer with light mounts, new set of Mickey Thompsons (mtz 305/70), and the rock crawling gears (43%) going in, so wondering if the triple mortgage on the house will stretch for anything else!!!!

[Clunk]

wondering if the triple mortgage on the house will stretch for anything else!!!!

how about that dikshunary you'll need to rite for me????

[Finly Owner]

Scott, if I can throw another angle at you?

Why not go a two-tone finsh like the black/silver hammer-tone finsh in powder coat finish on bar, and you can buy the same in two pack paint for wheels.

As for to PC or 2pac wheels........My mate I have known for years, rallies cars(endeavour), and has 2 pac on wheels for the reasons Paul said. But has PC bullbar. And advised me to 2pac the Vals wheels when I thought about PC them.

Hope this confuses you more.

[Bigrig]

Scott, if I can throw another angle at you?

Why not go a two-tone finsh like the black/silver hammer-tone finsh in powder coat finish on bar, and you can buy the same in two pack paint for wheels.

As for to PC or 2pac wheels........My mate I have known for years, rallies cars(endeavour), and has 2 pac on wheels for the reasons Paul said. But has PC bullbar. And advised me to 2pac the Vals wheels when I thought about PC them.

Hope this confuses you more.

Thanks mate - and yes, thoroughly confused as to what to do!!! LOL

[Finly Owner]

Blackmottle / silver mottle looks great.

[Clunk]

Blackmottle / silver mottle looks great.

that sounds bloody lovely

[Bigrig]

Blackmottle / silver mottle looks great.

Got to tell you Timbo, that does sound good ... I do like those rims you buy that are black with small chromed looking trims on the outside or the ones with chrome alen key lugs around the outside ...

Would this be standard offering from most PC and paint joints??

[Finly Owner]

Got to tell you Timbo, that does sound good ... I do like those rims you buy that are black with small chromed looking trims on the outside or the ones with chrome alen key lugs around the outside ...

Would this be standard offering from most PC and paint joints??
If you asking is the two tone available at most PC's yes it should be, and any paint shop should be able to get the same type paint as it is a "two tone hammer cote" finish.

As for chrome dress rings, you may have to try 4WD accessories shop or truck accessories shop.

[patch697]

Well at least your consistent Scotty.... You'll even start sh!t in your own thread........lololololololololol

Ya bloody clown, I almost wrecked my new keyboard when I caught up on this thread......LMAO

[Bigrig]

Well at least your consistent Scotty.... You'll even start sh!t in your own thread........lololololololololol

Ya bloody clown, I almost wrecked my new keyboard when I caught up on this thread......LMAO

Like McDonalds mate - crap product, but it's the same crap product wherever you go!! Kinda like me!! LOL