DIESEL FUEL + 2T OIL = Superb performance?

[raneydelrey]

HI can you enlighten me on this if this is true, saw some discussion of this but there was never a consensus... please want to know more about this

[Maxhead]

People use the 2T for lubrication as new diesel has a low lubricant in it. Extends life of component and some reports are gives better performance and fuel economy. Works well for some but not others...mixed reports

[raneydelrey]

hi nisspat,

In your opinion would you use it.......

[Maxhead]

hi nisspat,

In your opinion would you use it.......

Look, I have tried it and noticed no difference in my CRD so I probably would not use it.

There are people out there that swear by it(especially the 4.2 guys), so try it for a couple of tanks and see how you go.

Good luck

[red92gq]

Have been using Active 2T for some time in my TD42 an it does seem to make the engine run a little smoother an quieter.

[raneydelrey]

HI nisspat and red92gq

seems that it will work on a 4.2 engine but what about the zd30?

[starck]

People use the 2T for lubrication as new diesel has a low lubricant in it. Extends life of component and some reports are gives better performance and fuel economy. Works well for some but not others...mixed reports

NissPat - please, explain what is this 2T all about. Do we have this in PL?

[YNOT]

2T is the type of 2 stroke oil you mix with regular unleaded petrol for use in chain saws etc. It is a mineral based oil, do not use synthetic based 2 stroke oils as they do not mix properly with diesel.

Tony

[YNOT]

HI nisspat and red92gq

seems that it will work on a 4.2 engine but what about the zd30?

Check post #10 in this thread; http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?1990-How-to-keep-a-ZD30-Engine-quiet

Tony

[starck]

Yes, sure. My old motobike used to fur on it.

So, what are proportions mixing diesel with 2T? I own Y60 with TD42T - so should be satisfied? Are there any problems later with hygiene of fuel system. Maybe doses of this oil makes pump or injectors rotten?
Sorry if this was already mentioned - then help me out with some link

[YNOT]

The recommended mix is 200:1. I'm yet to hear of any negative side effects as long as mineral based oils at 200:1 mix is used.

Check this thread also; http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/showthread.php?294-Adding-4-litres-of-Petrol-to-140-litres-of-Diesel-for-more-power.&highlight=stroke

Tony

[raneydelrey]

I am scared to do this... hehehehe fuel quality here in manila is a mess.... and was getting confused with if it is only good in the DIESEL or Petrol

[cossy]

So 200 to 1 what would that be to the main tank empty and to the sub tank empty?

[YNOT]

It's 1 litre of 2T to 200 litres of diesel, so 95 litre main tank would take about 450ml of 2T and about 150ml to 30 litre sub tank..........I think? I'm hopeless at maths.

Tony

[YNOT]

Stay away from synthetic oils, they don't mix properly with diesel. Any of the mineral based oils should be ok, Castrol 2T is known to be good.

Tony

[szaf]

Ynot correct about the ratios 475ml for 95L diesel and 150ml for 30L sub - would you use it in a 2009 ZD30 with 20000 Kmls

[YNOT]

I don't know that it would be a great benefit on such a late model, they were designed for low sulpher diesel.

Tony

[Mrowka]

IIRC 2-stroke should only be added to earlier diesel engines. If your engine has a catalytic convertor, two-stroke may stuff it - again, IIRC.

Use cheap mineral-based two-stroke; two-stroke oil was designed to burn. You can't really "overdose" on it, in fact your engine will run fine on 100% two-stroke oil.

I've been adding it to my 1994, because the fuel quality in Ukraine is sometimes "hit or miss," or rather, "miss or really miss." I get some funky Russian brands of oil which are probably as dubious as the diesel fuel here.

[big_fletch]

Thought I would dig up this thread and post some of my results..
I have a 2002 GU 3.0 ZD30..
I for the past couple of weeks have been running 200-250ml of Castrol Active 2T into my 95l of diesel and I can honestly say it has made a difference.. Was abit skeptical at first, but overall I'm impressed.. Had my housemate and Father both ask what I did to the motor as was a lot quieter and smoother (especially on cold mornings)..
I would have no problems recommending this to other people

[the ferret]

Yep, good stuff, go for it.

[big_fletch]

I recently bought a litre of Castrol 2T Self Mix (for lawnmowers, lawn edgers and stationary engines). Haven't put it in yet. Is this the right stuff or should I have bought Castrol Active 2T like Fletch used?

I used the Active 2T because it apparently mixes the best with diesel, not sure about the one you bought though.. I imagine it would be ok as long as its a mineral oil.. Cant be 100% though

[patch697]

I recently bought a litre of Castrol 2T Self Mix (for lawnmowers, lawn edgers and stationary engines). Haven't put it in yet. Is this the right stuff or should I have bought Castrol Active 2T like Fletch used?

From what I understand Plassy, as long as its not the synthetic one you should be right.

[Sir Roofy]

from the goss is has to be mineral to mix

[AB]

I used the Active 2T because it apparently mixes the best with diesel, not sure about the one you bought though.. I imagine it would be ok as long as its a mineral oil.. Cant be 100% though

So whats the plan now Fletch, are you going to regularly do this each time now or?

I wouldn't mind giving this a shot myself too...

[Sir Roofy]

There's actually no mention on the label about whether it's mineral or synthetic. So I'm guessing it's mineral as it would say if it's synthetic? I'll double check on the Castrol website.

would a good idea before you use it

[big_fletch]

So whats the plan now Fletch, are you going to regularly do this each time now or?

I wouldn't mind giving this a shot myself too...

Probs not every time I fill up, maybe every second or third fill.. But I have been very impressed with it so far

[big_fletch]

There's actually no mention on the label about whether it's mineral or synthetic. So I'm guessing it's mineral as it would say if it's synthetic? I'll double check on the Castrol website.

Yer I would check just to be sure mate, I think you should be ok but better to be safe than sorry

[big_fletch]

Here's some data sheets on Castrol 2T:

2T Self Mix: http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/9696_2T_SELF_MIX_111725_2008_03.pdf

Activ 2T: http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/9725_Activ_2T_460250AU02_2007_11.pdf


Definately states Activ is mineral based but no mention of this for the Self Mix. Think I'll play it safe and get myself a bottle of Activ.

Sounds like a good idea mate, just to make sure its def mineral

[AB]

Here's some data sheets on Castrol 2T:

2T Self Mix: http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/9696_2T_SELF_MIX_111725_2008_03.pdf

Activ 2T: http://www.tds.castrol.com.au/pdf/9725_Activ_2T_460250AU02_2007_11.pdf


Definately states Activ is mineral based but no mention of this for the Self Mix. Think I'll play it safe and get myself a bottle of Activ.

The internet doesnt really confirm It's mineral either mate...The keywords Castrol 2T self mix and the word "Mineral" arn't showing up anywhere.

Unless someone can 100% confirm I wouldn't try it either...

[big_fletch]

Can't take it back and swap it for the active?

[big_fletch]

Ahhhh well lol.. Will be interesting to hear some other peoples reactions when they try the 2T oil

[GUIV]

I have used it for the second tank and noticed an improved economy, before I use it, it traveled about 550km for the main tank. This second tank with Activ 2T, it traveled 612km so far and the low fuel warning has not turn on yet. The engine seems running smoother but that can be contributed to the dawes valve that I put in recently. I will continue to use it further. It is not a cheap additive as it will cost about $6 per fill so I will look around for better price.

On the other word, Activ 2T is waht everyone uses, I read somewhere that do not use marine one as well as they have amonia for salt water corrosion inhabitant or some sort, so it not suitable although they are some how cheaper. I will stick with activ 2T and just get the cheapest I can get.

Also I would not use it on any common rail diesel as the pump produces over 15000psi and has very fine tolerance, they are also designed to be fed with low sulfur diesel so the 2T oil would not benefit as much.

[thebeatjackson]

http://www.castrol.com/castrol/multipleproductsection.do?categoryId=8000082&contentId=7000951

"CASTROL 2T TWO-STROKE OIL
A mineral based lubricant..."

although there's a chance this could be talking about activ...

[num_301]

I've been using 2 stroke in my 4.2td for the last couple of months and have been achieving on average about 100km extra out of every tank.
For example my last tank of 95L I did a four day trip to stradbroke (sand driving=bad fueal economy) plus a trip from redlands to kenilworth and back.
I got a total of 943km out of that tank .
The oil I use is motorbike 2T from caltex, the non synthetic stuff and it has worked a treat and I would recomend to anyone.
Can't coment on reducing noise as I purely used it for fuel economy and wasn't really paying atention :)

[HammerBuilder]

Hey num how much or what percentage 2t do you use please as I wouldn't mind giving this a go . Even though winter is coming & will get better economy it will still be worth trying.

Quantities would be great to know
Cheers tonyD

[num_301]

I use about 400ml to a 95L tank, but i just measure off the side of the bottle, nothing to percise.
I was told a 1:400 ratio is good, and I figured it's close enough to 100L hehe. but then I still put that in when it's not a full fill e.g 75-80L.
But yeah defs try it, has made a world of differance to my fuel economy

[MudRunnerTD]

I use about 400ml to a 95L tank, but i just measure off the side of the bottle, nothing to percise.
I was told a 1:400 ratio is good, and I figured it's close enough to 100L hehe. but then I still put that in when it's not a full fill e.g 75-80L.
But yeah defs try it, has made a world of differance to my fuel economy

ummm? Num! your maths is a little out mate! if someone said that you should be using 1:400 ratio the you should be putting about 250ml per 100lt tank. 400mls would be closer to 1:250. 237mls would be 1:400 into a 95lt tank.

Your Fuel figures look extraordinary too mate, Wow! 950km per tank! that is 9.5L to 10L /100km. in the sand. wow. My GUIV TD42Ti is lucky to get 750km out of the two tanks (115L used) I just put in a Long Range rear tank and can now get a little over 1100kms

What is your setup Num? what car? what tyres? what size Tyres?

Cheers MR

[num_301]

Yeah most likely lol, but yeah I use 400ml per main tank and about 300ml in my sub
It is pretty standard at the moment and because of the fuel economy I don't really wana do many engine mods. It's on standard 265/75-r16 tyres and a 3" straight through, only 2" lift also.
The car is a 2002 4.2td ute coil cab. alloy tray and usually have 2-3 bike on the back (bout 100-120kg each plus gear) or camping stuff.
It has about 230,000kms on it also.
Any othe questions I'd be happy to answer.
Note that only about 450km's was on the beach (bout half a tank). Also I'm not a very sedate driver, esspecially not on the beach so I Am quite happy with the fuel figgures.

[num_301]

ummm? Num! your maths is a little out mate! if someone said that you should be using 1:400 ratio the you should be putting about 250ml per 100lt tank. 400mls would be closer to 1:250. 237mls would be 1:400 into a 95lt tank.

Your Fuel figures look extraordinary too mate, Wow! 950km per tank! that is 9.5L to 10L /100km. in the sand. wow. My GUIV TD42Ti is lucky to get 750km out of the two tanks (115L used) I just put in a Long Range rear tank and can now get a little over 1100kms

What is your setup Num? what car? what tyres? what size Tyres?

Cheers MR


What sort of setup are u running for that sort of economy??
35's and the works or pretty standard?

[MudRunnerTD]

What sort of setup are u running for that sort of economy??
35's and the works or pretty standard?

Yeah 35s so the figures need to be adjusted for the Odometer correction. (about 10%) a 3" lift and Roof Rack. Fuel turned up Way Way too high ;) and a bit too much boost ;)

Got a crossing of the Madigan Line in about 8 weeks so will be tuning it down some for that, fitting 285s and i might give the 2stroke a go for that too.

There was a massive thread on this subject on the other Patrol forum but unfortunately like all other things there its GONE! Damn!

[num_301]

Yeah once the intercooler, 4" lift and 305/70's come I think I'll be bought back to earth with my fuel readings haha.

[Rip'n'Shred]

I will be giving this a go this week. Will be monitoring results and advise.

[bushytas]

I used to use auto Trans fluid 1L each tank when the low sulphur fuel came out but now I have a late model patrol I don’t bother
1. Its common rail and high pressure
2. The engine was made to run the low sulphur fuel.
3. I was only using it to swell the seals in the old mechanical pump to stop leaks
I’ve also started newly rebuilt diesel engines on straight auto Tran’s fluid they run very well on the stuff and not a puff of smoke.

[num_301]

Any more resaults from this?
Interested to see other peoples figures

[lufkin]

Ive been using castrol active 2T now for about 2 months. Not sure on fuel economy because I don't really measure it as I'm lazy. But what I have noticed is when I start it in morning for work. It doesn't vibrate as much. Sounds more like a normal engine then an old tractor. Also found the power curve seems smoother. I was a sceptic at first but would recommend it now. I'm in a 1999 2.8 GU

[snowy]

Going to give it a crack next time i fill up. I have noticed that for some reason when i add injector cleaner to my fuel i get over 100 km extra out of my 2 tanks on the td42..... same with my old mans toyota... cant work out why haha

[the ferret]

Yes, sure. My old motobike used to fur on it.

So, what are proportions mixing diesel with 2T? I own Y60 with TD42T - so should be satisfied? Are there any problems later with hygiene of fuel system. Maybe doses of this oil makes pump or injectors rotten?
Sorry if this was already mentioned - then help me out with some link

It wont hurt the 4.2 or the 2.8, ratio is 200 to 1, expect a quieter engine and a slight improvement in fuel economy.
Block the EGR, Remove butterfly from intercooler if you have one, fit a catch can and drive it like you stole it!!
Cheers, the ferret.

[Stropp]

Well I am won over on this for the 4.2, I cannot believe how much quieter the motor is and only after 80 Klm's from when I put the castrol 2t in the tank. Don't know if fuel consumption will improve but just the quietness is worth it, will see if economy improves!

[TuffTD42]

I tried this over a 6 month period about 3 years ago. There was no change what so ever to noise,power or fuel economy. I think you would be better off, & cheaper to just use chemtech every now & then, like I do. Maybe it is the quality of fuel (brand) that some people use & may be the 2T helps with lower quality fuels. I only run BP so maybe why It didn't work for me. Can't help think it's just the placebo effect taking place.

[Stropp]

Well as I said the engine is definitely quieter but will reserve my opinion on the fuel consumption, I assume the quieter engine would be the mechanical noise from the fuel pump being reduced!

[Dave_GU_ACT]

Just to reignite this age old debate, 2t Self mix according to the MSDS is a mineral based additive. I have extracted a little info from that document. im about to put it in my GUIII 3.0l DI.

Material Safety Data Sheet
1 .
Identification of the material and supplier
Castrol 2T Selfmix
Product name
462220
SDS no.
Product use
Lubricant for two-stroke engines.
For specific application advice see appropriate Technical Data Sheet or consult our company
representative.
BP Australia Pty Ltd (ABN 53 004 085 616)
717 Bourke Street
Docklands VIC 3008
Australia
Tel: +61 (03) 9268 4111
Fax: +61 (03) 9268 3321
Supplier
+61 2801 44558 (or 1800 14 14 74 within Australia)
EMERGENCY TELEPHONE
NUMBER
Product code
462220-AU07
Hazards identification
2 .
NON-HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE. NON-DANGEROUS GOODS.
Statement of
hazardous/dangerous nature
Composition/information on ingredients
3 .
Highly refined base oil (IP 346 DMSO extract < 3%). Proprietary performance additives.
This product does not contain any hazardous ingredients at or above regulated thresholds

[threedogs]

anyone have a picture of the bottle. or do I just ask for 2T additive

[BigRAWesty]

Castrol do a 2T In a white 1ltr bottle, square with castrol green label.
Used this stuff with Rc planes.

Imo the little which is being added (20mL/ tank) would be doing fark all..

I tried black diesel a while back. I started with a 1/10 ratio, and apart from being very messy and a little more smoke when I hit 50/50, it made everything as quite as a mouse.

So imho to see the benefits of this added lubrication I think quantities need to be of around the 1\10 ratio. But then it becomes to bloody expensive

[threedogs]

I take it you use this in the fuel as an additive

[Chimo]

How would TCW-3 go ie outboard 2 stroke oil. Its the cheap mineral stuff, works fine in the boat motors so as an additive in a 4.2 T could there be any issues?

[BigRAWesty]

I take it you use this in the fuel as an additive

I personally don't, fuels these days are made to get max bang for buck and have lube additives already in them..


How would TCW-3 go ie outboard 2 stroke oil. Its the cheap mineral stuff, works fine in the boat motors so as an additive in a 4.2 T could there be any issues?

Not sure mate. Jump on Google and look for a tcw3 msds. Have a read threw it to see if it has any nasty properties, check the area under Fire. Properties do change once change from solid to gas..

[gramgramfirey]

Before i saw the light and bought a Patrol, i drove a Landrover Defender 300 Tdi. The poms have been doing this for years. My Defender has done 360,000 kms of which half of this i have used 2 stroke oil in the diesel. The motor runs brilliant.
Uses no oil.
I have also heard, but not tried, filtering your old sump oil and using it instead of 2 stroke.
Search landyzone.uk there is heaps of information on the subject.

[BigRAWesty]

Before i saw the light and bought a Patrol, i drove a Landrover Defender 300 Tdi. The poms have been doing this for years. My Defender has done 360,000 kms of which half of this i have used 2 stroke oil in the diesel. The motor runs brilliant.
Uses no oil.
I have also heard, but not tried, filtering your old sump oil and using it instead of 2 stroke.
Search landyzone.uk there is heaps of information on the subject.

Black diesel

[Wine_maker]

I tried yesterday. Mannol 2t Universal.

Didn't see anything unusual yet. May be more than 1 to 200?

Brother's Pajero became work a little bit smoother.

[Petit caillou]

Hi,

I also use 2T oil in the tank 250ml for 95l I found that the engine is less noisy and there is no more moke, my oil is Racing 2T and it's a full syntetic one. will tell you more about fuel economy later, but I don't thik it's the miracule priduct for fuel economy.

Best regards
Petit caillou.

[entilzah]

did it in my freelander took 2 to 3 tanks and the motor runs quieter helped performance and economy a little to still unsure about the cost of 2 stroke and savings of fuel but having a quieter engine helps
am trying my patrol soon doing some lper km first

[entilzah]

beed doing this in my freelander mk 1 the bmw motor took 3 to 4 tanks and runs like a dream ever since a lot quieter started this in my gu 3ltr and starting to hear the difference a lot quieter when warm

[threedogs]

Ok seeing this has been dug up I'll start putting in Castrol Active 2t from tomorrow.
I use penrite 5/40 so noisy when cold, lets see what happens

[SonOf]

Will be interested in your finding TD - I just finished a tank with added injector cleaner in it and found the economy improved quite a bit.

My 99 GU 4.2 is good n rattly so will definitely investigate this

[Stropp]

i use it in mine and find its quieter but no improvement in either fuel or performance but i use it as if its quieter im happy with that and TD i also use penrite. Outboard 2 stroke is no good from what i read it has to be 2t,

[Wizard52]

Will be interested in your finding TD - I just finished a tank with added injector cleaner in it and found the economy improved quite a bit.

My 99 GU 4.2 is good n rattly so will definitely investigate this

Will watch results as well

[Dave_H]

I started using this last week and can say it's a little quiter more when cold. Fuel economy seems better i recon 100km more out of main tank, using 200:1 but i also cleaned my MAF sensor at the same time which was quite dirty so this is probably helping aswell. After reading this im not sure whether to use it in my 08 CRD though, Thoughts?

[BigRAWesty]

I've heard different reports On crd's.
Something along the lines of an inbuilt water sensors On the Fuel system doesn't like it??

Now I have no idea of ratios used when issues happen..

The question which turned me off was,
If this additive giving me the efficiency to outweigh the extra cost into each tank.
For me it wasn't..

[Dave_H]

I wasn't really to concerned on fuel savings although it would be a bonus but more for the lubrication benefits which if it does would definitley outweigh the extra cost.

In saying that i think im going to stop using it until i can get more information about using it with the crd's

[Gecko17]

How do you guys reckon this would go in the Chevs?

[Dave_H]

What i've read Highlander and it was 64 pages long lol, all diesels would benefit from the extra lubrication due to our poor quality diesel but i'm a little concerned about using it common rail diesels as they're apparently designed to withstand our diesel.

If you have a spare few days give this article a read it's quite interesting.

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76845&sid=c45219077e78a9899aeac07dd42a4fd6

[threedogs]

update went to Super cheap and brought a bottle of Castrol Active 2T ABOUT $13.
tipped abit in so will see how it goes over the next few tank loads

[rochjas]

Three dogs... Where have you been on this one.... I started using this about 6 months ago.... Fuel usuage is the same... but engine much quieter... Loving it.... I do 200mls to 35 litres.... (Second tank)

[threedogs]

I read it but not keen on additives in in engines then realised it it was a fuel additive, I use Wynnes injector cleaner and happy with that.
cant see how it would improve my fuel figures, but any extra lubrication must be a good thing

[Gecko17]

What i've read Highlander and it was 64 pages long lol, all diesels would benefit from the extra lubrication due to our poor quality diesel but i'm a little concerned about using it common rail diesels as they're apparently designed to withstand our diesel.

If you have a spare few days give this article a read it's quite interesting.

http://www.4wdaction.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=76845&sid=c45219077e78a9899aeac07dd42a4fd6

Cheers Dave, The impression I was getting from the thread was that the CRD's were geared up for the diesel but that the older engines weren't, which is why i thought that my Chev might benefit from it.... Spoke to our site mechanic and he said that it would improve the noises but couldn't see how it would improve performance. I will do it purely out of interest me thinks.

[threedogs]

might be a placebo effect, as I struggle to find how it could possible improve economy.

[Fry]

Theres some good info linked around from those links.
I will post this here to help people to the info quicker.
http://www.ebay.com.au/gds/Opti-Lube-XPD-Diesel-Fuel-Economy-and-Reduced-Wear-/10000000017593100/g.html

From the reading I done so far it seems like it keeps a bunch of things cleaner than with out.
Going to give it a go on my CRD.

[Dave_H]

Spoke to our site mechanic and he said that it would improve the noises but couldn't see how it would improve performance. I will do it purely out of interest me thinks.

I'm no mechanic but wouldn't it increase your performance a little if your engine parts are lubricated better and the internals were not needing to be pushed as hard which inturn the accelerator is not being pushed down as hard(friction) ???

[boots]

Well I have trialled this at a mixture of 200 to 1 ratio with shell advance 2T probably over the last 18 months . Next to no difference in fuel economy but it starts easier in the colder winter months and idle rattle is reduced noticeably .One drawback for me is the exhaust odour is far stronger than without it , stopped using it in November for this reason but come winter I will be back on it for sure . Its a good thing me thinks .

[Gecko17]

I'm no mechanic but wouldn't it increase your performance a little if your engine parts are lubricated better and the internals were not needing to be pushed as hard which inturn the accelerator is not being pushed down as hard(friction) ???

According to him, it will quieten noisy rattles, having supplied more lubrication to worn parts, hence no real performance improvement... Having said that, it should follow that it should also extend the life of, however slightly, the affected parts.

[threedogs]

well I have to admit it has quietened down my motor heaps.
Used to be very noisey at idle, very quiet now so yes happy camper
Quiet on hard acceleration as well, redline stuff.
In future I'll use one bottle per 165 ltr

EDIT after reading that link from Fry I have learn't a new word "lubricity" wtf
can someone put it in a sentence and make some sense.
@ HL looks like its OK for the bigger diesels as well

[Petit caillou]

Well I have trialled this at a mixture of 200 to 1 ratio with shell advance 2T probably over the last 18 months . Next to no difference in fuel economy but it starts easier in the colder winter months and idle rattle is reduced noticeably .One drawback for me is the exhaust odour is far stronger than without it , stopped using it in November for this reason but come winter I will be back on it for sure . Its a good thing me thinks .

Hi boots,

I didn't notice any smell different with or without the oil add, but less smoke for sure and better purring.

Regards
Petit caillou.

[Dave_H]

after reading that link from Fry I have learn't a new word "lubricity" wtf can someone put it in a sentence and make some sense.


Taken from Wiki lol

In a modern diesel engine, the fuel is part of the engine lubrication process. Diesel fuel naturally contains compounds that provide lubricity, but because of regulations in many countries (such as the US and the EU), sulphur must be removed from the fuel before it can be sold. The hydrotreatment of diesel fuel to remove sulphur also removes the compounds that provide lubricity. Reformulated diesel fuel that does not have biodiesel added has a lower lubricity and requires lubricity improving additives to prevent excessive engine wear.

[Fry]

The other thing I read at work the other day was about using Biodiesel as its made with reused oil.
I could only find one place locally for me that has it (B20) 20% BioDiesel the rest normal Diesel.
might give that a try but thinking 50% B20 then 50% normal for one tank.

[threedogs]

whats the price difference with Bio-Diesel to normal Diesel ??

[Fry]

as of today in my area its
157.9 for normal
156.9 for Bio

[entilzah]

169.9 no bio

[SonOf]

Is there any issues with the newer diesels and running bio.? I would think with my old 4.2 (1999) there would be less issues but what about the new common rails etc.

Have not seen bio here yet but know that they have one of the most moddern processing plants in the north to make bio from the poppy seeds which are a biproduct of the opium crop.

[trevbob]

I have a mate who makes his own bio and runs it in his F250, goes great. Another mate ran it in his rodeo and was good until he went camping in the mountains. Clogged all his fuel lines and filter when it snowed overnight. Had to heat his fuel up in a drum over the fire! To be fair another mate with him had trouble with normal (not alpine) diesel in his 100 series too.
Trev

[trevbob]

Have to try the 2T in my 2006 4.2 TDi
Trev

[threedogs]

@ trevbob I've had in in for two tank loads so far and very impressed.
much quieter at idle and one out last weekend my fuel figures were
12/100 from my DiD with 200k on the clock, and 285x16 tyres

[Stropp]

i use it in mine but i have not noticed and fuel consumption improvement but it does run a lot quieter.

[threedogs]

yeah same here no fuel improvements but a lot quieter
, along with injector cleaner I'll put it in every tank or so

[Joelshero]

Taken from Wiki lol

In a modern diesel engine, the fuel is part of the engine lubrication process. Diesel fuel naturally contains compounds that provide lubricity, but because of regulations in many countries (such as the US and the EU), sulphur must be removed from the fuel before it can be sold. The hydrotreatment of diesel fuel to remove sulphur also removes the compounds that provide lubricity. Reformulated diesel fuel that does not have biodiesel added has a lower lubricity and requires lubricity improving additives to prevent excessive engine wear.

This was a problem earlyier on (around late 90's early 2000's) when BP introduced their sulfur free diesel as it caused a fair few pumps to fail due to seal damage from the lack of lubrication of the fuel

[Dave_H]

Filled up the 2nd tank full today with the 2t oil about to do a 900km trip tomorrow so hopefully i will see some better fuel economy. (first big run while using it)

[Stropp]

Filled up the 2nd tank full today with the 2t oil about to do a 900km trip tomorrow so hopefully i will see some better fuel economy. (first big run while using it)

mate dont believe the better performance bit, mine is quieter but no better performance.

[Dave_H]

Yeah I'm not really fussed if I don't get better economy just a bonus if i did hahaha

[Dave_H]

Well Just finished a 955km round trip and i'm happy to say i will be using castrol 2t activ regularly.
Not only is it quieter but seems to be more responsive and @ Stropp, the best fuel economy
I have had before using this is around 13.5-14lph usually averages 14-15lph

This trip we did 955km using 119 litres =12.46 and 150km of this was city driving.

So i'm definitely saying this has helped our fuel economy as well as better lubrication so i'm sticking
With it unless i hear anything to say otherwise.

[4by]

Good news Dave. Ill definitely give it a go in my 4.2 turbo.

[GU_Mudstar]

will have to give it a try some time when hitting camping, and seeing if it makes a difference at all, seems like from what ive read to improve engine lubrication if at all

[Wizard52]

This was a problem earlyier on (around late 90's early 2000's) when BP introduced their sulfur free diesel as it caused a fair few pumps to fail due to seal damage from the lack of lubrication of the fuel

It cost me a pump rebuild in my old 2.4 hilux in 2000 but vehicle was sold before news of problem hit the media.

[Cuppa]

I've been planning on giving this 2t in the diesel a go for some time now, but only got around to doing it today for the first time. I put 475mls in my main tank (95l) & then filled it. Have only driven home from the servo (7kms) so at this stage can only give my initial impression. It will interesting to see what the next cold start is like.

Initial impression.....Wow! Hadn't expected to notice a difference so quickly, but it was almost immediate, certainly within the first kilometre. Definitely much smoother to drive, changed it from feeling 'agricultural' to much more 'refined'.

I bought a 4 litre container of Castrol Activ 2T. Almost got the 'plain' Castrol 2T (for mowers etc) until I discovered that the motorcycle Activ 2T was ⅔rds the price. $40 compared to $60! The bloke at Repco was also a bit stunned by this & double checked with his bar code scanner & the price was right. I figured if it made no difference in the Patrol I'd still eventually use it in the whipper snipper & chainsaw, but it's looking like it'll be for the Patrol. :)

[Dave_H]

Great to hear another good report on it. Wait until you have to fill it up without it Cuppa, it's quite depressing as you kind of get used to a quiter motor hahaha

[Rickie3]

pretty keen to try this on my 3.0 DID, as my injectors seem very noisy, will report back my findings

[HiluxMichael]

Finally gave it a try with 0,475L Castrol Active 2T when i filled her up last week.
The 2.8 is smother, starts better, is more responsible on the right foot, and black smoke is nearly gone...

EGR is blocked, just waiting for the gaskets before taking out the butterfly.

Thanks to this forum and the community.

[Dave_H]

Good to hear Michael

[Cuppa]

Well it’s been a while but I can now report back on the effect of using the 2 stroke in the diesel. As I may have mentioned previously my Patrol does very little mileage, with me ‘saving’ it for it’s intended purpose of long term, long distance travel. It has taken since I put the 2 stroke in at the beginning of April until now to use both tanks of fuel! Yeah yeah, I should take it out more. :)

From the first few minutes had I noted that the engine ran smoother. It was also quieter on startup. This has continued as you might expect.

So has there been any effect on fuel consumption? The answer is a definite yes, but it is a little difficult to be precise. The reason being that during this period I have also unloaded the vehicle a bit, so the weight reduction will have aided fuel consumption. However I can make a comparison with the vehicle when I first bought it, with an empty canopy, no rooftop tent causing drag & the solar panel on the cab roof, & running the cheese cutter tyres at high pressure. Although I have taken out a reasonable amount of weight, I still have all my recovery gear behind the seats in the cab, 3 x 120Ah batteries, 150l water tank about half full, both fridge & freezer on slides, & the full kitchen inside the canopy, plus the panel & rooftop tent (70kg) up top, Oztent RV3 underneath canopy, 2 x 3kg gas bottles & the air compressor & receiver tank. And occasionally the wife. So still a reasonable amount of weight.


When bought, empty cab, cheese cutters - I couldn’t quite get to 1000kms. 980’ish.
Fitted out, full loaded - 940 to 950kms
Loaded as described above, with 265 tyres (same diameter as the cheese cutters, but wider & at lower pressures) & with 2 stroke added - I got 1035kms.

Driving style has remained much the same, although perhaps I have used 4th a little more in preference to 5th, almost never going over 3000rpm, mainly out of town driving.

So whilst not precise, I feel confident in claiming that the 2 stroke has given me a worthwhile increase in fuel range, & will continue to use it.

[BigRAWesty]

So do you feel the fuel saving out weights the cost of the oil??
Its seems the turbo guys are showing better results compaird the the Na guys.

[Cuppa]

So do you feel the fuel saving out weights the cost of the oil??
Its seems the turbo guys are showing better results compaird the the Na guys.


Yep, I reckon it’s cost effective, & a nicer car to drive.

[Snow Patrol]

I used to use it in my Prado and it knocked about a liter per hundred off the consumption as well as making it smoother and quieter. I started using it in my 08 CRD and again it it has made a difference in engine noise and drivability. Slight improvement in consumption. I use a cheap 2 stroke oil that I buy at the rural store for about $80 ish for a 20L drum and keep a bit in the car for fill ups ( using about a 200 to 1 mix) I will continue to use it. Interesting to note I used it in Wifey's Subaru Forester Diesel for a while and it did nothing at all( actually used slightly more fuel).

[threedogs]

definitely quieter and smoother not sure if fuel consumption is better,
but better to drive that's for sure.

[kevin07]

could the people who are using this in their crds could you post how long you have been using it for thanks kev.

[Rocket55]

3-4 months now. Quieter, smoother, not noticeable difference in power or economy, but definitely ads to the driving experience, so we'll worth it for me.

[Dave_H]

About 6 months but I'm only putting it in when highway driving so maybe a handful of times I have used it.

Definitely quitens the motor and rough estimate of 1ltr per 100km better and a little more responsive.

[Cuppa]

Just a heads up for those of you using 2 stroke in your diesel. Repco have Castrol Activ 2T on special until Christmas, $31.99 for 4 litres. I grabbed 8 litres.

[megatexture]

Anyone using it in there crd?

[Dave_H]

Anyone using it in there crd?

Sure am. Works a treat, a lot quiter and about 1.5 ltrs per 100km better off

[megatexture]

Cheers I might give it a crack, I've been considering it for a while now

[megatexture]

Put some in my ford ranger today and within 2 mins went from a very pulsating/ knocking kind of acceleration to it being soo smooth through the rev range, I'll be putting some in the patrol today when I go out later I can't wait!

[threedogs]

when I fill to go fishing I'll put some injector cleaner and Castrol T2 in on full tanks
Does make a Di quieter IMO

[Dave_H]

Is anyone noticing that it blows smoke more after using it???

[Cuppa]

Is anyone noticing that it blows smoke more after using it???

After or whilst using it?

I’ve been using it for a while now & have not noticed any smoke. I haven’t tried stopping using it so can’t comment on that, but would hope that wouldn’t be the case given that it didn’t blow smoke prior to first using it.

Not a CRD though.

[Dave_H]

Whilst using it. I noticed the other night when someone was behind me a fair stream of smoke but being night and seeing it in someones headlights always seems worse lol once i empty this tank I'll do a comparison with no 2t.

[hempo]

I might give this a go also. Have only 50,000km on the clock however has always been pretty noisey and thirsty (more so with roof racks and 285/70/17)

Megatexture how have you found it over the last week?

Dave_H thanks for the updates.

[Winnie]

I might give I a go on the trip to Krisso's place

[megatexture]

I might give this a go also. Have only 50,000km on the clock however has always been pretty noisey and thirsty (more so with roof racks and 285/70/17)

Megatexture how have you found it over the last week?

Dave_H thanks for the updates.


Yea it's been good, massive! diffrence in the Shiz box 2012 ranger I've got to the point I would almost say performance enhancing lol.
as for the patrol I used a little less oil than the ranger but it certainly feels/sounds smoother through the rev range.
I've got a chip on mine and prior to the t2 if I planted my foot it would blow a bit of smoke/ unburnt fuel but I think that's due to where I've got the chip set, i didn't notice this smoke increase or decrease but its hard to compare that kind of thing.

I will be continuing to use it and will up the dosage in the gu to the ratio everyone seems to be using and fingers x there are more gains to be had.

I forgot to get figures for fuel but I'll do that next tank full

[mudski]

I bought some 2T ages ago but keep forgetting to do it. I will have a crack this week if I remember too.

[mingo]

Hi, been reading with interest about the 2T adding @ 1/200 ratio, I was ready to go the trial as I do country miles with a fair load on (no trailer) What stopped me was a post which didn't recommend the use in common rail diesels, can anyone ratify this. I get a bit concerned as I go prospecting into some remote areas and would rather leave any doubts at the bitumen. Also, any chance of an update from the crew that have been using the 2T for a while now. I'm new to the Nissan and came across this forum at the same time and I'm mighty pleased with the help you guys give up, thank you very much, it's been great reading.
Mick
my rig seems to be similar to the Cuppa's (2006, 4.2 TDI with Telstra body 300,000 km)

[NissanGQ4.2]

Hi, been reading with interest about the 2T adding @ 1/200 ratio, I was ready to go the trial as I do country miles with a fair load on (no trailer) What stopped me was a post which didn't recommend the use in common rail diesels, can anyone ratify this. I get a bit concerned as I go prospecting into some remote areas and would rather leave any doubts at the bitumen. Also, any chance of an update from the crew that have been using the 2T for a while now. I'm new to the Nissan and came across this forum at the same time and I'm mighty pleased with the help you guys give up, thank you very much, it's been great reading.
Mick
my rig seems to be similar to the Cuppa's (2006, 4.2 TDI with Telstra body 300,000 km)

Bumped for mingo as the post went into moderation.

Cheers

Toddie

[Cuppa]

Mick, just try it with a tankfull & I don’t think you’ll regret it. It wont do any harm, but it’ll be a nicer car to drive.

Cuppa

[mingo]

Cheers Cuppa, I took the test on the 2T and the results were instant as far as driving through the seat of your bum, it felt like an anchor had been removed from the towbar within about 5km of the Servo. Cant notice any difference in economy but start up is a pleasant noise. Another bloke with a similar rig tried it after and agreed that things felt as if they freed up.
cheers
Mingo

[Softy]

Ok.

Firstly i'm probably going to put some noses out of joint with this... But this is MY findings in MY car running 2 stroke.

GU III Grenade with 144,000km

I brought some Active 2T to try in my car to see if it made any difference, My motor wasn't that loud to start with, noticed no difference in noise after 700km. The car ran fine for about 100km then it felt like it was down on power and sluggish. I figured it was just my head playing games, but i just filled up again added DP and no 2 stroke and i have a noticeable difference, power and response is back again.... I noticed the difference within 3km of leaving the servo.

Last tank of fuel before 2T i got 840km this tank with the 2T i only got 700km so there is a fair amount of difference i put down to adding 2T @ 200:1.

This is my car and my results, I'm sure in older motors like a 400,000km TD is makes a difference but in my car everything went backwards.

I'll see how many KM's i get out of this tank without 2T before i am 100% certain 2T is to blame.

[Rumcajs]

If using Castrol 2T, you are wasting your money, use ==> Gulf Western 2 Stroke Engine Oil (http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/online-store/products/Gulf-Western-2-Stroke-Engine-Oil-5-Litre.aspx?pid=105585#Recommendations) if you must use 2T oil.

59062

[Softy]

Supercrap only had the GW Outboard version on the shelf when i went shopping so ended up with Activ 2T. I might run a couple of tanks thru it without 2T and give it another try as i still have half a 1LT bottle left.

[Rumcajs]

Supercrap only had the GW Outboard version on the shelf when i went shopping so ended up with Activ 2T. I might run a couple of tanks thru it without 2T and give it another try as i still have half a 1LT bottle left.

Don't get caught like I did! I kept looking for that oil in the automotive section and could never find it thinking they're out. Its kept in the "garden and outdoor section".

Cheers

[drgtr]

Digging up old thread.

Hows everyone going with this?

Im going to give it a go on my TD42Ti.

[the evil twin]

Works great in my Chev... def helps the "pre low sulphur fuels" components.

For engines designed for low sulphur fuels it doesn't do shit.

[Hodge]

Digging up old thread.

Hows everyone going with this?

Im going to give it a go on my TD42Ti.My TD loves it. Definitely makes it "smoother".
Apart from that, I don't think it does much else.
I haven't put any in for about .. 3-4 tanks now so it's back its original 4.2 ticka-tacka-ticka-tacka tractory diesel sound.

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[drgtr]

Cheers
So you mean smoother acceleration too?

lol you described the td42t sound perfectly tacka tacka for sure!

[drgtr]

Works great in my Chev... def helps the "pre low sulphur fuels" components.

For engines designed for low sulphur fuels it doesn't do shit.

So perfect for our old school TD42t diesels

[Hodge]

Cheers
So you mean smoother acceleration too?

lol you described the td42t sound perfectly tacka tacka for sure!

I wouldn't call it smoother acceleration. Just a smoother, quieter motor sound. It's dampened that "ticka tacka" sound.

[drgtr]

No extra smoke or anything detrimental? I have read all 15 pages lol

Being a Td42ti is it normal for puff of black smoke on accelerating before boost is made?
I heard this is normal. Im embarrassed enough and don't want extra smoke :D

[Hodge]

No extra smoke or anything detrimental? I have read all 15 pages lol

Being a Td42ti is it normal for puff of black smoke on accelerating before boost is made?
I heard this is normal. Im embarrassed enough and don't want extra smoke :D

I don't think so. Once in a while, if you cop a whiff from the exhust you can kinda smell 2T in it, but thats about it.

[the evil twin]

All the 2T does is lubricate the pump and injectors.
It does absolutely bugger all for performance or whatever as it pretty much only helps with injector longevity/spray pattern/wear esp at 200:1

2T does the job that the gnarly compounds in Distillates used to do before the Greenies made the world take them out/stop adding.

[drgtr]

So basically litres x 5 to get the amount.
Say if you half a tank left can you put 2 stroke in or best to wait until fill up time so it gets mixed nicely

[the evil twin]

2T is very soluble so you can add it pretty much whenever.

I run it at between 200:1 and 300:1

Today for example I threw 250ml in my Aux 'cause tomorrow I'll put 60-70 litres of fuel in.
(Around town I keep the main at about 50 litres and pump from the Aux as required).

When touring (or if I put any fuel in the main around town) I throw the 2T in afterwards.
Also when touring I either take a couple of disposable placcy bottles of 2T (500ml coke are ideal) and dose the tanks then throw away or not even bother with the 2T at all.

[drgtr]

Legends. Thankyou

[PeeBee]

I am assuming the 2T is the synthetic oil from castrol? I read that the non synthetic offered better protection, can't recall the detail, however i un straight mineral lawn mower grade and the clack is reduced on my chev for sure. I add at 200:1 as above plus run a slug or moreys also.

[the evil twin]

No, the synthetic isn't any good and does pretty much bugger all, it has to be the mineral version of 2T for best results.

I run the 'lawn mower version' from Penrite (Greenkeeper)
http://www.supercheapauto.com.au/Product/Penrite-Greenkeepers-2-Stroke-Lawnmower-Oil-2-5-Litre/20081

[Hodge]

I run this.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/04/20.jpg

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[drgtr]

I run this.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/images/imported/2018/04/20.jpg

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Perfect. I have a Caltex down the road. I heard that one or the Gulf Western one is good as its dirt cheap too

[Daveyboyjunior]

Added the Comma equivalent to mine today. 125ml to half a tank as an experiment.
The difference it made to the tone of the engine was very noticeable. Within a few kilometres of the new fuel and 2 stroke going in, the top end was less clacky and rattle free. Smooth through all the gear ranges.
Amazing!!

[drgtr]

Added the Comma equivalent to mine today. 125ml to half a tank as an experiment.
The difference it made to the tone of the engine was very noticeable. Within a few kilometres of the new fuel and 2 stroke going in, the top end was less clacky and rattle free. Smooth through all the gear ranges.
Amazing!!

Thats insane. Idle quieter too?

[Daveyboyjunior]

Funny enough, the idle has always been as I might have expected, but even idle has been slightly muffled by the newly added two stroke lube!
It sounds like all the moving parts are now getting some proper goodness!;);)

[the evil twin]

Funny enough, the idle has always been as I might have expected, but even idle has been slightly muffled by the newly added two stroke lube!
It sounds like all the moving parts are now getting some proper goodness!;);)

Uuummmm... the 2T is in the fuel so it only affects (or lubricates) 3 things;
Fuel Pump
Injectors
Upper Cyl

The main component of those that the 2T will reduce is the mechanical Injector rattle.
If enough 2T is getting to affect other 'moving parts' then you have serious problems in your oil feed :)

[Daveyboyjunior]

Uuummmm... the 2T is in the fuel so it only affects (or lubricates) 3 things;
Fuel Pump
Injectors
Upper Cyl

The main component of those that the 2T will reduce is the mechanical Injector rattle.

Thats why she's running quieter!
My oil feed is just fine. Happy days!:o

[drgtr]

Thats it. Im gonna get some gulf western or the castrol activ tomorrow morning and chuck in 450ml in main and 150ml in sub when I fill up.
Its gotta be good for the pump and injectors

[Daveyboyjunior]

Thats it. Im gonna get some gulf western or the castrol activ tomorrow morning and chuck in 450ml in main and 150ml in sub when I fill up.
Its gotta be good for the pump and injectors

What's the capacity of your tanks? Get the ratio right.

[drgtr]

Factory so 95 and 30 ?

200:1 or times tank litres by 5?

[Hodge]

Factory so 95 and 30 ?

200:1 or times tank litres by 5?

I've been putting in 250 mL for an entire fill. And still makes a considerable difference. So I just add the 250ml to the main tank, than fill both tanks and gradually fill the main from the sub as the main goes down.
So thats 250mL per 125L, each time I fill from empty.

Important thing to remember is, this works good when filling from empty.
Some people fill up when their tanks are half or quarter full or whatever... If you do it this way and add 2T each time, the 2T ratio to diesel might rise. Hope that makes sense.

[drgtr]

Thanks Hodge Good point.


What I will do now. Since i havent got any in there at all.
Im at half on the main tank. Im gonna put in the initial 450ml (200:1) when I fill up to a full tank today.
I will do the same to the sub

From there I will take not of what you said. When i fill up not from empty I will have to be careful of where the fuel is at

[drgtr]

So because it quietens noise down that means its doing its job and lubricating the injectors and pump?
So in theory the pump and injectors should have a better life span?

If so were the fuel industry and car industry aware of this?
Our old diesel Tech TD42t from factory did they have any provisioning in place?

[drgtr]

So the two choices will be Gulf Western 2T or Castrol Activ 2T.

I noticed on the website Gulf Western comes as marine 2 stroke

Is that the same thing?

Thanks guys

[the evil twin]

So the two choices will be Gulf Western 2T or Castrol Activ 2T.

I noticed on the website Gulf Western comes as marine 2 stroke

Is that the same thing?

Thanks guys

As long as it is a mineral 2T and not synthetic the brand is immaterial.


As prev posted I use Penrite Greenkeepers 2T which I get from Supercrap whenever it is on special.
Gulf, Castrol, Penrite, Homebrand, Dr Spocks Medicinal Rubbing Oil and Paint Remover... doesn't matter.

All you are doing is putting back in the 'minerals' that the low sulphur fuels of the last 30 years don't supply to the olden times fuel systems of yesteryear.
Indeed if you are using aftermarket/modern injectors and fuel pumps on an old mill then 2T does absolutely sweet FA

[Daveyboyjunior]

Hi, back On another forum somewhere I've heard to avoid the marine grade stuff for some reason.
I've had my truck for three years now, and kicking myself that I didn't do this sooner!

[drgtr]

Well I did it But servo is only 800m from my house. Havent driven anywhere yet.
Used Castrol Activ 2t as couldnt find Gulf Western 2t. only the marine one.
I read the bottle it doesnt seem any different but didnt want to do something stupid lol

[Daveyboyjunior]

And.....what's she like to drive now??

[the evil twin]

snip... I've heard to avoid the marine grade stuff for some reason.


Yep... should only use Marine 2T if you do a lot of driving on the beach.

[drgtr]

And.....what's she like to drive now??

Okay I have drove 30kms

I was skeptical of this .

Honestly. It has been much quieter.
Cold start is also much quieter.

In fact im impressed for such a simple thing to do it works surprisingly well!

It gets rid of the diesel clack clack clack tack tack tack sound nicely.

Acceleration feels a tad smoother.

Its got to be beneficial with these changes. Im sure our pumps and injectors will last longer too

[Daveyboyjunior]

I couldn't agree more, excellent news!:smile::smile: