Possible catch up and 4x4 day trip in Victoria!

[PMC]

G'day Trendsetters,

My family and I will be heading down to Geelong on the 20th December for three weeks holiday showing off our new son to our family members who live in Geelong.

It has been over 25 years since i last engaged low range in Victoria. If it is possible i would like to catch up with some of the Victorian members for a social catch-up or even go out for a bit off 4x4 driving day trip!

I know it is Christmas and many Victorian members will be heading away for holidays, however for those Victorian members who are going away and would like to catch-up and do a day trip somewhere please advise me, it would be fantastic to catch up with you!

PS, i will even throw in a farken couple of good yarns to tickle your sense of humor buds. lol

Regards,

Paul (RLI)

:bowdown:

[Winnie]

You're coming for my birthday! haha I would love to catch up mate.

[mudnut]

I will certainly try to catch up with you, mate. There are many places within a few hours of Geelong to get the Patrols dirty.

[Sir Roofy]

Would love to catch up paul but not the 20th have a specialist appointment then
will see how we go when its organised

[threedogs]

Show and shine by Corio bay , I'd like to see that

[PMC]

Would love to catch up paul but not the 20th have a specialist appointment then
will see how we go when its organised

G'day roofy,

Anytime after the 27th December would suit me fine too.

PS, i will down from the 20th December 2013 to 12th January 2014.

Regards,

Paul

[Sir Roofy]

g'day roofy,

anytime after the 27th december would suit me fine too.

Ps, i will down from the 20th december 2013 to 12th january 2014.

Regards,

paul

sounds like a plan in the making a barbie at the bay maybe
see what comes up winnie and me have the longest haul
down to there

[AB]

Sounds like a good plan mate, I normally like to get away at that time but generally not for very long so we'll catch up for sure!!!

[PMC]

sounds like a plan in the making a barbie at the bay maybe
see what comes up winnie and me have the longest haul
down to there

G'day roofy,

Make it somewhere central for all of us to meet-up. I will travel from Geelong to where ever!

Regards,

Paul

[Winnie]

sounds like a plan in the making a barbie at the bay maybe
see what comes up winnie and me have the longest haul
down to there

Thats not true roofy. Paul is coming all the way from Coffs! Haha.

Trying to use Motorculture

[jack]

If I make it out of waterlogged Noosa I'll be there for sure.

[MEGOMONSTER]

If I make it out of waterlogged Noosa I'll be there for sure.

It doesn't stay wet for long.
A few years back, we went up the week after Hastings street was under water from recent rains. We weren't happy except we got there and couldn't tell they flooded last week, apart from the stories.

[PMC]

It doesn't stay wet for long.
A few years back, we went up the week after Hastings street was under water from recent rains. We weren't happy except we got there and couldn't tell they flooded last week, apart from the stories.

I am looking forward to seeing those famous seats. lol

Regards,

Paul

[MudRunnerTD]

Hey Paul,

Look forward to meeting you mate, I think it is time we did a Day Trip Meetup in the Otways! or Paddys Swamp.

Once i figure out if and when i am heading away i would be happy to plan a trip in this neck of the woods mate.

[PMC]

Hey Paul,

Look forward to meeting you mate, I think it is time we did a Day Trip Meetup in the Otways! or Paddys Swamp.

Once i figure out if and when i am heading away i would be happy to plan a trip in this neck of the woods mate.

G'day MudRunner TD,

Sounds like a very good plan mate!

Regards,

Paul

[Stropp]

Hey Paul,

Look forward to meeting you mate, I think it is time we did a Day Trip Meetup in the Otways! or Paddys Swamp.

Once i figure out if and when i am heading away i would be happy to plan a trip in this neck of the woods mate.


otways would be great, been through a few times but usually bitumen and at speed trying to get somewhere.

[PMC]

G'day Trendsetters,

My family and I will be heading down to Geelong on the 20th December for three weeks holiday showing off our new son to our family members who live in Geelong.

It has been over 25 years since i last engaged low range in Victoria. If it is possible i would like to catch up with some of the Victorian members for a social catch-up or even go out for a bit off 4x4 driving day trip!

I know it is Christmas and many Victorian members will be heading away for holidays, however for those Victorian members who are going away and would like to catch-up and do a day trip somewhere please advise me, it would be fantastic to catch up with you!

PS, i will even throw in a farken couple of good yarns to tickle your sense of humor buds. lol

Regards,

Paul (RLI)

:bowdown:

G'day folks,

I thought i would bump this thread along.

PS, MudRunner, could i please ask if it is possible to shift this thread into the members meet-up area!

Kind regards,

Paul

[NissanGQ4.2]

PS, MudRunner, could i please ask if it is possible to shift this thread into the members meet-up area!

Kind regards,

Paul

Moved over for you mate

[krbrooking]

Would love to have been able to meet you and come to this but unfortunately my family and I will be in Perth over xmass visiting my family.


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[Bloodyaussie]

I will be up the High Country with my family and in laws.....

[PMC]

G'day Trendsetters,

Expressions of interest for a B/Q & 4x4 family fun day either late December after X-mas or early January!

MudRunner (Darren) is keen to organise a trip in the Otway’s! Or Paddys swamp, this would be fantastic as I have never been to either of these areas! Darren if possible, could I leave this trip in your capable hands!

Looking forwards to catching up with those folks that can make it that day!

PS, folks, if possible count we please get a rough head count for Darren!

Kind regards,

RLI

[AB]

Yep, I should be in if early Jan.

I have to help my inlaws move a frigging house back on the Murray around Christmas and possible early mid jan again after stumps are done but should work around it when proper dates are announced.

Prefer early-mid jan before 13th jan would be good.

[Winnie]

Early Jan I can do, late December I cannot unfortunately.

[jack]

I'm in just need some notice of the dates, I compete in open water swims and these are usually on weekends in early Jan.
Would prefer the Otways but subject to Fire Danger Rating'.

[Sir Roofy]

g'day trendsetters,

expressions of interest for a b/q & 4x4 family fun day either late december after x-mas or early january!

mudrunner (darren) is keen to organise a trip in the otway’s! Or paddys swamp, this would be fantastic as i have never been to either of these areas! Darren if possible, could i leave this trip in your capable hands!

Looking forwards to catching up with those folks that can make it that day!

Ps, folks, if possible count we please get a rough head count for darren!

Kind regards,

rli

im in hope jane can be as well

[Alitis007]

If i'm in melbourne at the time i'll be keen to tag along.

[mudnut]

I have let my family know I wish to go to the Otways in Jan. Just need to know the dates. As far as I know, at the moment, any days suit me, but the tracks must be suitable for a stocky on 31' tyres, and without a snorkel.

[Bloodyaussie]

If you can fix a date in then I may be able to come but that is dependent on when it is....

[GU CAMPER]

Depending on Dates I will be there

[Bloodyaussie]

You really need to set dates as that time of year is pretty hectic and people need as much notice as possible............... so bump RLI I know you forget about your own posts sometimes!!!

[MudRunnerTD]

Paul is only down until the 9th of Jan so it will need to be either weekend of 4th and 5th Jan or mid week? Maybe a Tuesday in the first week when everyone is off? less crowded in the bush.

[Winnie]

I can't do weekdays, some of us have to work!!

[Sir Roofy]

Paul is only down until the 9th of Jan so it will need to be either weekend of 4th and 5th Jan or mid week? Maybe a Tuesday in the first week when everyone is off? less crowded in the bush.

not every one is off on those dates I can make it but the boss is not sure

[liftlid]

I have let my family know I wish to go to the Otways in Jan. Just need to know the dates. As far as I know, at the moment, any days suit me, but the tracks must be suitable for a stocky on 31' tyres, and without a snorkel.

You don't need a snorkel in the Otways,
Will be dry and dusty if no rain, with some bog holes in the damp locations, I would be interested to go also.

[mudnut]

The Otways sounds good to me, as I've always wanted to explore that area. What are we going to do for accommodation, or is it just day trips?

[Bloodyaussie]

The Otways sounds good to me, as I've always wanted to explore that area. What are we going to do for accommodation, or is it just day trips?

They have these things called tents and what you do is.........lol!!!!

[Winnie]

They have these things called tents and what you do is.........lol!!!!

but WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THEM!?????????

[Bloodyaussie]

but WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THEM!?????????

Where is Lucas when you need him???????????

[taslucas]

Where is Lucas when you need him???????????

Im here.......

[boots]

Watching this thread with date confirmation . would be great to meet you Paul and catch up with the others .

[mudnut]

Okay, then, let me rephrase that, as I sleep in the back of the Old Trol. Do we have to book sites in the Otways?

[liftlid]

Okay, then, let me rephrase that, as I sleep in the back of the Old Trol. Do we have to book sites in the Otways?

Only in the national park where all the good tracks are closed, plenty of free camping at dandos or others.

[PMC]

G'day Trendsetters,

You folks choose a day, i will make myself available to suit you!

PS, looking forward to meeting those that can make it!

Kind regards,

RLI & family

[Bloodyaussie]

Thats not how it works.... you set a day and they will come otherwise it just goes back and forth.

I have learnt from organizing a few meet ups.

[PMC]

Thats not how it works.... you set a day and they will come otherwise it just goes back and forth.

I have learnt from organizing a few meet ups.

OK,

MudRunner, your call! I do not know the tracks in Victoria!

Regards,

RLI

[NP99]

No wait, it's a democracy, let's put a poll on, or vote, or wait, or.......just hang on for a minute :)

[MudRunnerTD]

Sorry guys, been in a meeting all night.

OK!!!!! Date set!

The day trip will be Sunday 5th January.

I am happy to help organise an overnight for those wanting to camp at Dandos for Saturday 4th.

Note that it is likely the weekend before the traditional back to work Monday and there may be quite a crowd at Dandos that night.

How many looking for a camp over?

Post here and I will start a new thread tomorrow or Wednesday

[jack]

The day trip will be Sunday 5th January.

I'm in, day trip only as have commitment on Saturday.

[mudnut]

I'll be camping two nights, I hope.

[PMC]

Sorry guys, been in a meeting all night.

OK!!!!! Date set!

The day trip will be Sunday 5th January.

I am happy to help organise an overnight for those wanting to camp at Dandos for Saturday 4th.

Note that it is likely the weekend before the traditional back to work Monday and there may be quite a crowd at Dandos that night.

How many looking for a camp over?

Post here and I will start a new thread tomorrow or Wednesday

G'day MudRunnerTD,

That now sounds like a plan! My family and i are looking forward to meeting you kind folks!

PS, possible kick of time 9.00am?

Regards,

RLI & family

[Winnie]

Sorry guys, been in a meeting all night.

OK!!!!! Date set!

The day trip will be Sunday 5th January.

I am happy to help organise an overnight for those wanting to camp at Dandos for Saturday 4th.

Note that it is likely the weekend before the traditional back to work Monday and there may be quite a crowd at Dandos that night.

How many looking for a camp over?

Post here and I will start a new thread tomorrow or Wednesday

I'd be wanting to camp the Saturday night, bit far for me to come for a day trip.

[Bloodyaussie]

Yeah a long way to come and I get back from my family trip late on the 2nd so I would have to leave the next day to head down that way.... madness down that way that time of year!!!!

I will have to see how I feel after my family trip so it is going to be a last minute decision.

[Sir Roofy]

only in the national park where all the good tracks are closed, plenty of free camping at dandos or others.

mud map please dont know this area at all

[liftlid]

mud map please dont know this area at all

South of colac is gellibrand then head east on lardners track to dandos
Campground I don't have a map handy

[Sir Roofy]

I know how to get to gellibrand will find a map of the area

[TPC]

I am tempted to cross the border and come along to this one as its only 730Km from home.
Noticed it is shown on Google Maps.

[taslucas]

I am tempted to cross the border and come along to this one as its only 730Km from home.
Noticed it is shown on Google Maps.

Don't do it mate! Those Vics are psychos!!

[PMC]

Farkkkk you should talk, you two headed prick. lol

Regards,

RLI

[taslucas]

Farkkkk you should talk, you two headed prick. lol

Regards,

RLI

You would be happy to know I didnt get my second head out......

[GQ TANK]

If you are camping at DANDOS, bring your own dunny. There are drop toilets but they will be foul considering it will be just after Christmas / new years. We where last Aust day and they where bad.

Good place for kids with bikes.

( I just organised a club trip there for Aust day)

Will be dry and dusty if no rain, with some bog holes in the damp locations,

We found 1 track Aust day that took us 4 hours to cover less then 1 km it was full of bog holes. But mostly dry tracks

[TPC]

Don't do it mate! Those Vics are psychos!!
My parents were born there so I have a bit of psycho in me too, they at least came to their senses and moved to SA before I was born.

[jack]

As some will be traveling quite some distance I'm assuming this is more of a catchup than 4WD trip on the Sunday. If that's the case I'll bring some grandkids with me and try and convince my wife to come along.
Darren I assume you'll be traveling via Colac, I'll probably catch up with you guys on the way and tag along. We can confirm closer to the date.

[liftlid]

Suggesting dandos was just an example not a plan, it might not be the ideal campsite depending on which tracks Darren decides to do. sorry Darren I may have buggered your plans with my previous post.

[liftlid]

Is this meet up still going to happen??

[AB]

Is this meet up still going to happen??

I haven't followed this properly, was an exact date set yet Gary?

Are we all staying at your's and Dazz's place for the night in your houses with muddy boots and wet clothes?

[Winnie]

I haven't followed this properly, was an exact date set yet Gary?

Are we all staying at your's and Dazz's place for the night in your houses with muddy boots and wet clothes?

Not to mention the bulk BO and what we will do to your toilets.

[mudnut]

Sorry guys, been in a meeting all night.

OK!!!!! Date set!

The day trip will be Sunday 5th January.

I am happy to help organise an overnight for those wanting to camp at Dandos for Saturday 4th.

Note that it is likely the weekend before the traditional back to work Monday and there may be quite a crowd at Dandos that night.

How many looking for a camp over?

Post here and I will start a new thread tomorrow or Wednesday

There you go...

[AB]

Cheers mate, I might actually still be down mornington pens way around there and could throw my patrol on the ferry to queenscliff...nice!!!

[mudski]

Cheers mate, I might actually still be down mornington pens way around there and could throw my patrol on the ferry to queenscliff...nice!!!
At $70 one way its not so nice...Anyhow I would like to tag along. I work down in Forest and Gelli for the DSE a bit. Lovely countryside. Never done any 4wheeling down there though.

[liftlid]

I haven't followed this properly, was an exact date set yet Gary?

Are we all staying at your's and Dazz's place for the night in your houses with muddy boots and wet clothes?

I think it was the 6th?? And the Dogs would love to sleep with you

[AB]

At $70 one way its not so nice...Anyhow I would like to tag along. I work down in Forest and Gelli for the DSE a bit. Lovely countryside. Never done any 4wheeling down there though.

Yeah I know.....Criminal!!!

But, if I am down at Sorrento I would still rather pay the $70 then drive around the entire bay.

[liftlid]

Cheers mate, I might actually still be down mornington pens way around there and could throw my patrol on the ferry to queenscliff...nice!!!

If you need somewhere to stay on the way, I'm 15 min from qcliff

[AB]

If you need somewhere to stay on the way, I'm 15 min from qcliff

Thanks mate but I should be ok....I'll see where I am after new years and work it out somehow.

[Bloodyaussie]

At $70 one way its not so nice...Anyhow I would like to tag along. I work down in Forest and Gelli for the DSE a bit. Lovely countryside. Never done any 4wheeling down there though.

I thought about it but we only get back the night before from Merrijig so think its too much to then drive down to there...

[mudski]

I thought about it but we only get back the night before from Merrijig so think its too much to then drive down to there...

Isnt this meetup on the 5th or 6th? Thats five days after...

[AB]

I thought about it but we only get back the night before from Merrijig so think its too much to then drive down to there...

Stop being a pansy and jump on board the fun train!!!

[Sir Roofy]

Have,nt heard from paul yet (rli) hope he,s ok and is still thinking of this trip

[jack]

Paul (RLI) is doing it pretty tough with his treatment at the moment, he'll be online when he feels up to it. When I last spoke with him the trip was a goer, I'll give him a call and post an update.

[MudRunnerTD]

I spoke to Paul on Monday seeking advice about my immobiliser trouble. Too be honest he did not indicate that he wasn't coming but I had a it on my plate so it was oly a quick call. He did not mention not coming so its on guys.

[MudRunnerTD]

Is this meet up still going to happen??

Sorry guys, I have just got soooo much on at the moment I have not given this another thought other than knowing the date.

The Date is set around Paul RLI so we are working around that.

Dandos is not a bad spot to camp but there may be allot of campers there still then. It's the last weekend before many will go back to work so it could be emptying out by then. It's a big spot though.

I will likely be heading down for the day from Geelong. Yes most likely heading through Colac so can pick folks up there. A Meetup point cold be Waurn Ponds for those in Melbourne and Geelong.

Those camping should packup on Sunday morning and travel with your gear as we will head East from there and not get back to the area. Those staying Sunday night can get back easily though.

If people would prefer a family day and BBQ though then somewhere closer to Geelong and some easy tracks through the Anglesea Heath could be good too. Will be way way less driving to get there and some nice spots to camp.

Let me know what folks want to do.
Hope that helps.

[Sir Roofy]

Sorry guys, I have just got soooo much on at the moment I have not given this another thought other than knowing the date.

The Date is set around Paul RLI so we are working around that.

Dandos is not a bad spot to camp but there may be allot of campers there still then. It's the last weekend before many will go back to work so it could be emptying out by then. It's a big spot though.

I will likely be heading down for the day from Geelong. Yes most likely heading through Colac so can pick folks up there. A Meetup point cold be Waurn Ponds for those in Melbourne and Geelong.

Those camping should packup on Sunday morning and travel with your gear as we will head East from there and not get back to the area. Those staying Sunday night can get back easily though.

If people would prefer a family day and BBQ though then somewhere closer to Geelong and some easy tracks through the Anglesea Heath could be good too. Will be way way less driving to get there and some nice spots to camp.

Let me know what folks want to do.
Hope that helps.

would be easier on those that need to travel if we had it around Geelong
also maybe easier for Paul if the day turns out a bit much

[mudnut]

I will need to camp somewhere Sunday night, unless Mudnutette comes along to share the driving home. Is anyone else camping Sunday night?

[AB]

If there's a spot to stay I could be keen to stay the night and relax.

Does anyone know what time that ferry stops?...lol

[liftlid]

If there's a spot to stay I could be keen to stay the night and relax.

Does anyone know what time that ferry stops?...lol

I think the last one is at 7 during daylight savings

[PMC]

G'day folks,

I am sorry for not being too active lately; unfortunately the new medication has knocked the farken crap-out of me, my wife and I have a phone conference with our specialist on Monday, hopefully the last two blood tests that i had done will reveal that the 5 new antibiotics that i have been on for the last 6 weeks are controlling my chronic crohns disease!

Folks, I have never been so tired in my life before, i cannot believe the side effects of this medication. However, the specialist did advise my wife and I in October that i would go backwards, before I would go forwards. Hopefully the test results on Monday are positive for us.

PS, I will definitely be in attendance on the day, even if it means that my father or father in-law drives me to meet you good folks!

Kind regards,

Paul

[AB]

G'day folks,

I am sorry for not being too active lately; unfortunately the new medication has knocked the farken crap-out of me, my wife and I have a phone conference with our specialist on Monday, hopefully the last two blood tests that i had done will reveal that the 5 new antibiotics that i have been on for the last 6 weeks are controlling my chronic crohns disease!

Folks, I have never been so tired in my life before, i cannot believe the side effects of this medication. However, the specialist did advise my wife and I in October that i would go backwards, before I would go forwards. Hopefully the test results on Monday are positive for us.

PS, I will definitely be in attendance on the day, even if it means that my father or father in-law drives me to meet you good folks!

Kind regards,

Paul

Paulie, good to hear you again mate and we were worried but rest assured we will be there mate and look forward to seeing you bud!

We will all be there mate so no stress but if you can't do it, do not push yourself bud....No stress if you can't make it!

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day folks,

I am sorry for not being too active lately; unfortunately the new medication has knocked the farken crap-out of me, my wife and I have a phone conference with our specialist on Monday, hopefully the last two blood tests that i had done will reveal that the 5 new antibiotics that i have been on for the last 6 weeks are controlling my chronic crohns disease!

Folks, I have never been so tired in my life before, i cannot believe the side effects of this medication. However, the specialist did advise my wife and I in October that i would go backwards, before I would go forwards. Hopefully the test results on Monday are positive for us.

PS, I will definitely be in attendance on the day, even if it means that my father or father in-law drives me to meet you good folks!

Kind regards,

Paul

Good on you Paul, mate you made a big effort for me during the week regarding the pics and a few calls my way. You are very ill and I sincerely appreciate your effort to help me mate. With your help my Immobiliser trouble is fixed!! Happy days.

So based on your post above and your current condition I think we need to give this another thought. Dandos is 2.5 hours drive from Geelong just to get there and I am not sure that is a reasonable drive for you. Are you keen to do some tracks or meet the boys mate? Maybe we can do an easy / medium trip out of Anglesea which is only 30mins down the road? We could have a BBQ lunch down at the beach and the kids can play at the park. There will be a good bit of camping there but you might be in the caravan park guys.

@LiftLid Gary do you know anywhere down there the guys can camp for free mate?

[liftlid]

At anglesea area
Hammonds
Big hill

[mudnut]

Good to hear your spirits are up. I can't imagine what you are going through. As AB and MR have said, we will be flexible for your needs. Best wishes,

Cheers, mudnut.

[emm]

Hi everyone, just caught up on this thread. Would love to tag along for the day if we're welcome to...
Dandos is only around 45 mins from Geelong, best free camp in the area as it's looked after by the 4wd club. We won't be camping because we only live near Waurn ponds.
There are some good tracks in Bambra - logging tracks. Can be really challenging.
Would love to do big hill track though - we never did it with our old Pajero and when we changed to a Delica it was too challenging. Now we have the Troll it would be great to have a crack.
We have the Meridian Otways map - worth getting to see what's around.
We're up for anything though.
Bringing the kids - hope that's okay.
Em

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[AB]

Hi everyone, just caught up on this thread. Would love to tag along for the day if we're welcome to...
Dandos is only around 45 mins from Geelong, best free camp in the area as it's looked after by the 4wd club. We won't be camping because we only live near Waurn ponds.
There are some good tracks in Bambra - logging tracks. Can be really challenging.
Would love to do big hill track though - we never did it with our old Pajero and when we changed to a Delica it was too challenging. Now we have the Troll it would be great to have a crack.
We have the Meridian Otways map - worth getting to see what's around.
We're up for anything though.
Bringing the kids - hope that's okay.
Em

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Sounds like a plan Em, no probs at all

[MudRunnerTD]

Hi everyone, just caught up on this thread. Would love to tag along for the day if we're welcome to...
Dandos is only around 45 mins from Geelong, best free camp in the area as it's looked after by the 4wd club. We won't be camping because we only live near Waurn ponds.
There are some good tracks in Bambra - logging tracks. Can be really challenging.
Would love to do big hill track though - we never did it with our old Pajero and when we changed to a Delica it was too challenging. Now we have the Troll it would be great to have a crack.
We have the Meridian Otways map - worth getting to see what's around.
We're up for anything though.
Bringing the kids - hope that's okay.
Em

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Hi Emm,

Your more than welcome to come along and your kids will have plenty of company. How old are they?

I reckon you'd be doing real well to make Dandos in 45 minutes though! Even from Waurn Ponds your still 30+ minutes to Colac before you head south. I'd still say - 1.5hours on a good day to Dandos. RLI are you keen for a 1.5 hour drive to meet the guys?

What club are you a mmber of Emm? Does your club look after Dandos? Camp Host or something?

When did you try and do Big Hill track Emm? I cleared that track for seasonal opening last year and reckon I could have done it in the wife's Volvo! I think it has been graded from memory. Sorry. Happy to stick our head up maybe but it will be a cake walk unfortunately.

[Drewboyaus]

I cleared that track for seasonal opening last year and reckon I could have done it in the wife's Volvo

Is that the 244DL ?
LMFAO

[PMC]

Hi Emm,

Your more than welcome to come along and your kids will have plenty of company. How old are they?

I reckon you'd be doing real well to make Dandos in 45 minutes though! Even from Waurn Ponds your still 30+ minutes to Colac before you head south. I'd still say - 1.5hours on a good day to Dandos. RLI are you keen for a 1.5 hour drive to meet the guys?

What club are you a mmber of Emm? Does your club look after Dandos? Camp Host or something?

When did you try and do Big Hill track Emm? I cleared that track for seasonal opening last year and reckon I could have done it in the wife's Volvo! I think it has been graded from memory. Sorry. Happy to stick our head up maybe but it will be a cake walk unfortunately.

G'day MR,

Not a problem mate!

As previously mentioned, if i cannot drive, i will have either my dad or father in-law driving for me.

PS, just waiting for pathology results on my blood tests regarding what the outcomes are regarding my medication intake!

Regards,

Paul

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day MR,

Not a problem mate!

As previously mentioned, if i cannot drive, i will have either my dad or father in-law driving for me.

PS, just waiting for pathology results on my blood tests regarding what the outcomes are regarding my medication intake!

Regards,

Paul

Good luck Paul. Hope it's all good news bud.

[emm]

Hi, we wanted to do Big Hill track three years ago when we came back from our trip around Australia but people told us our Delica would never make it...
Might have a drive there this weekend then! :-)
When we went to Dandos I thought we went through Forrest, it was a while ago so I could be wrong about the time. Colac is about 50 mins - we never head that way when going to the otways, always through Forrest.
From memory it was the Geelong 4x4 club that were caretakers, but again I could be proven wrong about that also!
Not a member of any club, only the Geelong Field and Game.
Kids are 3 boys: 14, 12 and 7 and a 10 year old girl.
Camping sounds good! :-)

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[MudRunnerTD]

Hi, we wanted to do Big Hill track three years ago when we came back from our trip around Australia but people told us our Delica would never make it...
Might have a drive there this weekend then! :-)
When we went to Dandos I thought we went through Forrest, it was a while ago so I could be wrong about the time. Colac is about 50 mins - we never head that way when going to the otways, always through Forrest.
From memory it was the Geelong 4x4 club that were caretakers, but again I could be proven wrong about that also!
Not a member of any club, only the Geelong Field and Game.
Kids are 3 boys: 14, 12 and 7 and a 10 year old girl.
Camping sounds good! :-)

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Hi Emm,

I have just got home and reviewed the Map. Dandos is halfway between Gellibrand and Forrest on off Lardners Rd / Gellibrand Rd. There may be a little time saved heading down via Forrest, not much though mate. The easiest drive would be via Colac for sure. If you took Cape Otway Road you could maybe save 20 minutes but miss the opportunity to Fuel up in Colac.

Now lets talk Big Hill Track. Big Hill track is Miles away from Dandos mate, its at the other end of the Otways Ranges nearly and is off Deans Marsh Road. The top of Big Hill track junctions Deans Marsh road at the end of Mt Sabine rd also which is considered an "Iconic 4WD Track" OMG! what a disgrace! I could definitely do that in Naomi's Volvo wagon for sure!

I can certainly think of plenty of tracks that will be more fun that Big Hill track mate, i think you will be very disappointed when you get down there this weekend! most of the tracks to the East side of Deans Marsh rd are Easy in my opinion, nothing even gets to Medium there mate.

I will get down there in the next month and check out some tracks so we dont waste our time and still have some good catchup time too.

So if everyone is happy Dandos is the spot then. Paul is fine to travel so Dandos it is. It is a Public space and could have many campers there. there is a Drop toilet that may or may not be clean and f we can have a fire then we will need to bring bagged wood as finding good wood to burn could be a challenge.

Although it would be great i can assure you Emm that the Geelong 4WD Club does Not look after Dandos Camp ground in any way. They have not done a Camp Host there for at least 5 years and do not provide any form of management service to that area. Dandos is in the Otways Forrest Park and is therefore managed by Parks Victoria who do a great job as long as Victoria is not on Fire.

As Emm stated the Maridian Touring Map "The Otways 4WD Map" is by far the best map of the area.

Emm i have an 8 year old Boy and a 2.5 yo little girl. Bring the tribe.

[jack]

Hello All,

Caught up with Paul on the phone earlier today and he's keen to make this meetup, he's got a few prospective drivers to take him if needed.
Just need to be aware that due to Pauls condition he may/will need access to more than basic toilet facilities (I'm sure he can be more specific). My wife also has a medical condition and she likes reasonable facilities but is happy to stay home if not available.

[AB]

Like what someone mentioned earlier. I am more then happy for a meet up to talk bollocks with each other in a park and stay close to civilisation if need be gents.

I'm sure most of us agree that meeting Paul and others is the main aim here.

[Sir Roofy]

I did mention something along these lines would be great to meet rli paul and others
some where local in geelong or surrounds

[emm]

Thanks for all the info, looking forward to meeting you all!

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[AB]

Lets see how Paul and others are when the time comes I guess everyone to decide on what the meet up will entail.

I'm sure we will all be happy either way.

Great start to the new year though folks and look forward to it.

Maybe we can duck down to the Akoya Day Spa for some massages....lol

[MudRunnerTD]

I have sent a pm to Paul tonight regarding this Meetup. I have made a number of suggestions to him so we can lock this down. Wen I hear from him as to what suits him the most I will post here and also start a new thread for this Meetup and leave a link in this thread when it's done.

Watch this space.

[Bloodyaussie]

I have sent a pm to Paul tonight regarding this Meetup. I have made a number of suggestions to him so we can lock this down. Wen I hear from him as to what suits him the most I will post here and also start a new thread for this Meetup and leave a link in this thread when it's done.

Watch this space.
Just because I have not seen you in a while Daz....... you are a NOB!!!!!!!!!!! there I feel better!!

[booof]

id be keen to get out and meet afew boys and get afew kms on the maverick in the bush

[mudnut]

Are the tracks we're planning to do, suitable for a stock Q without a snorkel?

[MudRunnerTD]

I spoke at length with Paul this morning. Poor Bugger is having a real hard time of it. My thoughts are with him for sure.

The option that i had proposed to Paul is not possible so forget it (i will not post it up ;) ) Paul has an appointment with his Surgeon in the morning and the outcome of that will determine everything. I hope it goes well but we must wait until at least Wednesday or Thursday before posting anything definite for this meetup. When i know you will know for sure.

Regards MR

[NP99]

Are the tracks we're planning to do, suitable for a stock Q without a snorkel?

That's highway driving! :)

[mudnut]

That's highway driving! :)

We shall see!!

[liftlid]

Are the tracks we're planning to do, suitable for a stock Q without a snorkel?

You won't need a snorkel, no river crossings, might get a few bog holes if it keeps raining!

[AB]

I spoke at length with Paul this morning. Poor Bugger is having a real hard time of it. My thoughts are with him for sure.

The option that i had proposed to Paul is not possible so forget it (i will not post it up ;) ) Paul has an appointment with his Surgeon in the morning and the outcome of that will determine everything. I hope it goes well but we must wait until at least Wednesday or Thursday before posting anything definite for this meetup. When i know you will know for sure.

Regards MR

No stress if this doesn't go ahead Paul, look after number 1 mate and I hope it all goes with the Surgeon!!!

[MudRunnerTD]

Mate he is really keen as a day out with us is therapeutic. I'll let you know mate

[AB]

Any news on how Paul went MR or anyone else?

[trekster]

I will be speaking with him at the end of the week, Will let everyone know how he is if anyone else doesn't speak to him beforehand.

[PMC]

G'day folks,

I have just been released from hospital this evening, i am very tired and about to go bed, i will give you all an up-date tomorrow.

Kind regards,

Paul

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day folks,

I have just been released from hospital this evening, i am very tired and about to go bed, i will give you all an up-date tomorrow.

Kind regards,

Paul


That's great new Paul, touch base when you can mate

[NP99]

G'day folks,

I have just been released from hospital this evening, i am very tired and about to go bed, i will give you all an up-date tomorrow.

Kind regards,

Paul

Sorry I missed your call mate...

[BigRAWesty]

G'day folks,

I have just been released from hospital this evening, i am very tired and about to go bed, i will give you all an up-date tomorrow.

Kind regards,

Paul

Awesome stuff mate. Rest up and take it easy!!! I'm sure the docs keep telling you that.. Lol
But am looking forward to the next ripping yarn..

[jack]

Hello All,

Was speaking with Paul this afternoon, he's still not to well but is definitely coming down to Vic.
He'll be driving so won't know about a meet up location until he gets here and depends how he feels, the trip may knock him around a bit.
Also he's not keen to do any rough 4WDing as he needs the car to get him and the family back to Coffs. At this stage meetup location is still not confirmed but he said that shouldn't stop anyone else from selecting a campsite if they wish, we can all meetup at a convenient place later.
He sends his regards and will be online as soon as he feels up to it.

[AB]

Hello All,

Was speaking with Paul this afternoon, he's still not to well but is definitely coming down to Vic.
He'll be driving so won't know about a meet up location until he gets here and depends how he feels, the trip may knock him around a bit.
Also he's not keen to do any rough 4WDing as he needs the car to get him and the family back to Coffs. At this stage meetup location is still not confirmed but he said that shouldn't stop anyone else from selecting a campsite if they wish, we can all meetup at a convenient place later.
He sends his regards and will be online as soon as he feels up to it.

Sounds good mate, well go with the flow!

[PMC]

G'day folks,

I am a little sore around the old freckle at present, the surgeon has drained the abscess "again" for the sixth time in 18 months. He has also fitted a seton drain to the abscess to help allow it to heal properly, unfortunately this thing is uncomfortable to sit on.

My surgeon has allowed my family and I to head down to Victoria to catch up with family and friends for Christmas, unfortunately, I am booked back into hospital on the 13th January 2014 for more bowel surgery.

The drain gets removed from a GP in Geelong on Friday 3rd January 2014. So i cannot guarantee if i am going to be fit enough to go 4x4 driving. I still want to catch up with everyone for a drink and a chat before you head off on your trip!

PS, i apologise for causing problems with the trip!

Regards,

RLI

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day folks,

I am a little sore around the old freckle at present, the surgeon has drained the abscess "again" for the sixth time in 18 months. He has also fitted a seton drain to the abscess to help allow it to heal properly, unfortunately this thing is uncomfortable to sit on.

My surgeon has allowed my family and I to head down to Victoria to catch up with family and friends for Christmas, unfortunately, I am booked back into hospital on the 13th January 2014 for more bowel surgery.

The drain gets removed from a GP in Geelong on Friday 3rd January 2014. So i cannot guarantee if i am going to be fit enough to go 4x4 driving. I still want to catch up with everyone for a drink and a chat before you head off on your trip!

PS, i apologise for causing problems with the trip!

Regards,

RLI


All good Paul,

What are your thoughts on a Saturday late arvo bevy then mate? We spoke about it the other day. Given your condition I think this would be the best option? Let me know and I will roll out the idea mate

[Drewboyaus]

What date are we talking about Daz? 4th?

[MudRunnerTD]

What date are we talking about Daz? 4th?

Yeah maybe Meetup in Geelong Central for a late afternoon BBq maybe and a catchup then everyone camping can leave in convoy and drive to Dandos to camp. Get a good drive in all day Sunday. Otherwise Paul will be under pressure to hang around when his health won't let him on Sunday. Trying to drive and to chat is tough for all.

Just trying to allow for some quality time for all. Paul would love most to go for a big drive and hang with the guys for a heap but some compromises may bring some happiness into his world for a bit.

[Drewboyaus]

Sounds good either way mate.

[AB]

Sounds good to me Daz...

[mudnut]

That'll be a big days driving, but sounds good to me.

[PMC]

All good Paul,

What are your thoughts on a Saturday late arvo bevy then mate? We spoke about it the other day. Given your condition I think this would be the best option? Let me know and I will roll out the idea mate

G'day Darren,

A quick up-date mate!

I am just putting the final touches on the Patrol (oil-change and wash and clean the car) for the trip down to Victoria, we head off at 4.00 am tomorrow morning for Geelong.

Farkk, my arse is still sore with this dam drain installed, i will advise my health status when we arrive in Geelong late Sunday afternoon mate!

If worse comes to worse, i will catch up with members for a drink and a chat before you folks head-off 4x4 in the Otways!

PS, i will give you a call later on today mate!

Kind regards,

Paul

[Bloodyaussie]

I am a very visual person Paul.... picturing your ass has done nothing to help my breakfast go down!!!! ha ha ha!!!

[Winnie]

That's not what you said at the last meet up.

[PMC]

G'day lounge lizards,

Patrol serviced,tuned,cleaned and loaded for trip down to Victoria.

About to have dinner and then head to bed, up at 3.00am, on the road around 4.00am tomorrow. Hopefully catching up with sum of the Victorian forum members in January 2014.

PS, turning lap-top off and packing it in the Patrol.

Regards,

RLI

[NP99]

G'day lounge lizards,

Patrol serviced,tuned,cleaned and loaded for trip down to Victoria.

About to have dinner and then head to bed, up at 3.00am, on the road around 4.00am tomorrow. Hopefully catching up with sum of the Victorian forum members in January 2014.

PS, turning lap-top off and packing it in the Patrol.

Regards,

RLI

Hope you've had your innoculations for Victoria :)

[PMC]

Hope you've had your innoculations for Victoria :)

G'day mate,

I have arrived in Scrotetoria, the amount of antibiotic that i am on should be enough to kill anything! lol

Darren (MudRunner) i will give you a call soon!

PS, what an action packed adventure the family and I had travelling from Coffs Harbour to Geelong, another future yarn for the forum. lol

Regards,

Paul

[threedogs]

Will bust my left one to catch up Paul,
might get one of my sons to drive so I can have a beer

[NP99]

G'day mate,

I have arrived in Scrotetoria, the amount of antibiotic that i am on should be enough to kill anything! lol

Darren (MudRunner) i will give you a call soon!

PS, what an action packed adventure the family and I had travelling from Coffs Harbour to Geelong, another future yarn for the forum. lol

Regards,

Paul

Good to hear mate....

[MudRunnerTD]

G'day mate,

I have arrived in Scrotetoria, the amount of antibiotic that i am on should be enough to kill anything! lol

Darren (MudRunner) i will give you a call soon!

PS, what an action packed adventure the family and I had travelling from Coffs Harbour to Geelong, another future yarn for the forum. lol

Regards,

Paul

Hey Paul, glad to hear you made it safely. Sorry not really been here for a couple of days. Crazy time of year.

Give me a bell whenever bud. I have a couple of messages on my voice mail, you could be one of them ;)

[PMC]

G'day Trendsetters,

I have arrived in Vic! I have spoken to Darren (MR) will post up meeting details soon, i am currently checking out a B/Q spot in Geelong for Darren as a possible meet & greet location.

PS, all the best for Christmas folks!

Regards,

RLI

[trekster]

G'day Trendsetters,

I have arrived in Vic! I have spoken to Darren (MR) will post up meeting details soon, i am currently checking out a B/Q spot in Geelong for Darren as a possible meet & greet location.

PS, all the best for Christmas folks!

Regards,

RLI

Hey mate,

Make sure you bring me back some tequila from Mexico!!!!

Have a good one,

Cheers,
Eric.

[mudnut]

G'day, Paul, it's great to see you are out and about. Do you reckon you will be going wheeling with us?

[Sir Roofy]

g'day trendsetters,

i have arrived in vic! I have spoken to darren (mr) will post up meeting details soon, i am currently checking out a b/q spot in geelong for darren as a possible meet & greet location.

Ps, all the best for christmas folks!

Regards,

rli

hope it was,nt to bad for ya paul and have a top day tomorow
and santa grants you and your family your greatest wish

[mudski]

G'day Trendsetters,

I have arrived in Vic! I have spoken to Darren (MR) will post up meeting details soon, i am currently checking out a B/Q spot in Geelong for Darren as a possible meet & greet location.

PS, all the best for Christmas folks!

Regards,

RLI
Will be watching this, I would love to come for the BBQ, but may not have time for the wheelin'.

[threedogs]

I'm the same Mark Just going for the BBQ and meet a few more guys. we can travel down together if you want

[Sir Roofy]

Will be down for the bbq and meet only
looking forward to meeting you

[threedogs]

Yell out when etc Roofy and I'll meet you at that servo this side of Geelong just past the zoo on the HWY

[NP99]

Just don't leave your modded vehicles unattended with Paul close by....:)

[PMC]

Just don't leave your modded vehicles unattended with Paul close by....:)

You cheeky basket sir!

Regards,

RLI

[PMC]

G'day folks,

If possible, could you please advise how many of you would like a show & tell B/Q and meet & greet type day and how many of you just want to go 4x4 wheeling.

The reason i ask this, on the Saturday 4th January it is my sons Christening and it is the main reason that we came to Victoria for Christmas. I know Darren (MudRunner) would like to have a meet & greet on the Saturday afternoon, so that those folks that want to travel and camp overnight at the Otways can do so. Also that those that want to do the off-roading on the Sunday morning can do so with the minimum of time lost by having the meet & greet on the Saturday.

Originally i was only going to be available on the Sunday 5th January as the Saturday is going to be difficult due to my sons christening.

The problem i have with a Saturday afternoon meet-up, is all those folks travelling from all parts of Victoria to only attend the show & tell B/Q and meet & greet on the Saturday, is that i will not be available to catch up with you all until around 4.30 pm that afternoon due to my families Christening. However, Darren has advised me that he is prepared to meet & greet you all earlier that afternoon and i will drop in around 4.30 pm with my family for a B/Q dinner, if that is OK with everyone.

I have found a beautiful location for our show & tell B/Q and meet & greet on the Saturday afternoon and this is at the Barwon Valley fun park located on the banks of the Barwon river in Geelong. It has shaded tree areas, B/Qs and the fun-park itself for our children to run around and have a good time. Also swimming from the banks of the river. Plenty of parking for our Patrols.

Based on the numbers as requested above (show & tell B/Q and meet & greet type day and how many of you want to just go 4x4 wheeling.) will decide on which is the more reasonable scenario to go with!

PS, I hope your Christmas day has been a good one!

Kind regards,

RLI

[mudnut]

Mudnutette and I are hoping to get to the barby, then go camping and wheeling. And yes, Christmas has been a good one. I'm as full as a goog:).

[mudski]

If time allows I will attend the meet up only.

[Drewboyaus]

Where are we camping?

[jack]

Hi Paul, if I don't drown competing in the Danger 1000 earlier in the day I'll get there for the BBQ. I'll give you a call before anyway.

[MudRunnerTD]

Where are we camping?

Probably Dandos camp ground near Gellibrand. Maybe an hour from the Meetup site that Paul has mentioned.

So the site that Paul and I spoke of is on the Barwon River and not far from where Paul is staying and he can come to the BBQ when he is finished at the christening which we are expecting to be around 4 - 4:30pm.

We can gather from say 3pm or so and make an afternoon of it then those that want to camp can head to Dandos around 7pm or whenever depending if your happy to setup in the dark.

Paul if we go this way are you up for a drive on Sunday too mate?

Merry Christmas everyone.

Looking forward to a New Year BBQ with everyone that can come. Bring your children.

[Sir Roofy]

Will down for the bbq only

[NP99]

For those of you yet to meet Paul, you're in for a treat. :)

[PMC]

Probably Dandos camp ground near Gellibrand. Maybe an hour from the Meetup site that Paul has mentioned.

So the site that Paul and I spoke of is on the Barwon River and not far from where Paul is staying and he can come to the BBQ when he is finished at the christening which we are expecting to be around 4 - 4:30pm.

We can gather from say 3pm or so and make an afternoon of it then those that want to camp can head to Dandos around 7pm or whenever depending if your happy to setup in the dark.

Paul if we go this way are you up for a drive on Sunday too mate?

Merry Christmas everyone.

Looking forward to a New Year BBQ with everyone that can come. Bring your children.

G'day Darren,

Health permitting i will be down for both the B/Q and the 4x4 fun-day the following day!

The only problems i have are firstly the 4x4 fun-day i will not be able to conduct any physical recoveries due to my stoma (bowel exposed) secondly, the brake on my Warn winch is not working and most importantly, i do not want to take any risks braking the Patrol, especially being 1700 ks from home.

My wife has already read me the riot act if i have a serious break-down due to financial restraints at present.

We are currently out of pocket of the sum of $7,500.00 for my latest antibiotics which was purchased on 20th December. Unfortunately, these new antibiotics are not covered by the pharmaceutical benefit scheme, our private health insurance or by DVA.

At present I have to be financially sensible as the Patrol is our main vehicle has my wife's car is in the panel beaters due to horrific hail damaged done 2 weeks ago!

PS, my father, father-in law, my two children and myself will be in attendance for Saturdays B/Q dinner.

Kind regards,

Paul (RLI)

[mudnut]

That's a huge amount to have to fork out for medication. I hope it does the trick though. And no worries about taking it easy with your Patrol, because mine is only a stocky any way, no lift, no snorkel, yet, and its my daily drive as well.

[AB]

I should be ok for the Saturday arvo, I have to work on Saturday but will hopefully be able to come.

Paul if your definitely coming on the Sunday drive then I will try my best for the Saturday if not 100% Sunday drive.

If your not sure on Sunday then ill make it happen somehow on the Saturday arvo BBQ.

Ill also try to move my work day back a day in the next few days too.

[threedogs]

can only stay till 4 but Ill be there, Roofy can you PM your travel times for the day please.
we should be able to get a small convoy going ,IMO,
Any CO-ORDS of BBQ place

[Winnie]

Paul I am sorry mate but I cannot make this one. Was talking to Darren about something else and he reminded me it was this weekend, my Patrol is out of action until Patrolapart open and I can get some parts but that is not until next Monday, no local guys have the bits I need either. So pissed off, sorry mate but I am sure there will be a next time.

[PMC]

Paul I am sorry mate but I cannot make this one. Was talking to Darren about something else and he reminded me it was this weekend, my Patrol is out of action until Patrolapart open and I can get some parts but that is not until next Monday, no local guys have the bits I need either. So pissed off, sorry mate but I am sure there will be a next time.

G'day Winnie,

Not a problem mate, there is plenty of time to catch up with one another in the near future mate!

PS, with you being 16, you have plenty of time to ride with the off road warriors one day young Winnie. lol

Regards,

RLI

[MudRunnerTD]

OK! Sorry guys this has creeped up on us a bit.

This meetup is THIS WEEKEND!

We will meet at the BARWON VALLEY PARK, Barrabool Rd BELMONT.

2:30pm onwards for a BBQ Dinner with Paul and his family who will arrive around 4pm or so.

There is a large Kids play ground and BBQs and plenty of shade. If its hot though bring your sunscreen. The Barwon River is just there too and you might get a swim if the weather is nice.

I will post some maps from MC

[MudRunnerTD]

38494

Meetup just to the West of the pin
38495

38496


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[Sir Roofy]

Paul I am sorry mate but I cannot make this one. Was talking to Darren about something else and he reminded me it was this weekend, my Patrol is out of action until Patrolapart open and I can get some parts but that is not until next Monday, no local guys have the bits I need either. So pissed off, sorry mate but I am sure there will be a next time.

hey winnie you and the lady are welcome to come with us if you like only going for the meet and greet
and coming home

[Sir Roofy]

John will pm you a bit closer to the day

[PMC]

hey winnie you and the lady are welcome to come with us if you like only going for the meet and greet
and coming home

There you go Winnie, like old times, getting a ride into town from your parents. lol

Regards,

RLI

[Drewboyaus]

Paul, I was hoping to make it for the Saturday and Sunday but will now be driving back from NSW South Coast on Saturday. I'll aim to meet early Sunday morning at the camping location. Is that still at Dando's?

[MudRunnerTD]

Posting here too just incase people have missed the other new thread




So I just had a coffee and a chat with Paul, great bloke.

I have had a look at the map while he was here and at this stage we are looking to have 2 Meetup points then rendezvous in Waurn Ponds before heading into the Otways.

Meetup point 1 is the Barwon Vally Park 8:30am
where the Saturday BBQ is as some will be at the caravan park opposite and Paul and his family are just up the road.

Meetup point 2 Lara 8:15am
Pm me for the address.

Rendezvous will be at 9am
Bunnings Carpark Waurn Ponds

Heading into the Otways via Cape Otway Rd down into Barwon Downs.

[mudnut]

Ahh well, I'll have to find a place to go camping, closer to Waurn ponds. Edit: what is the name of the caravan park?

[PMC]

G'day Mudnut,

There is 3 caravan parks on Barrabool Rd in Belmont. They are all in the same location as Saturdays B/Q meet & greet area.

The first one is Barwon caravan park about 1 km from B/Q location contact phone number 5243-3842 or freecall 1800 657 955

The second one is City Southside Caravan Park walk across the road to B/Q location contact phone number 5243-3788

The third location is Geelong Riverview Tourist Park walk across the road to B/Q location contact phone number 5243-6225 or freecall 1800 336 225

PS, i hope this information is some help to you.

Regards,

RLI

[mudnut]

I have booked into a nearby caravan park for Saturday and Sunday night. Thanks for posting that info, Paul. I had to ask, because my internet data has run out (the joys of living in the bush) and is slowed so nothing is loading:(