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Chops
26th October 2010, 12:58 AM
I found some information on the subject of VIN numbers, some of which most people don't understand. Some would say its an interesting subject, so I thought we could discuss it here.



A VIN, Vehicle Identification Number is a unique 17 character number allocated to every vehicle distributed in Australia since 1989. The VIN is usually stamped into the vehicle structure (often the firewall) during manufacture, or stamped on a metal plate and fixed onto the vehicle's body.

Did you know that the VIN number to your vehicle is more than just a series of numbers used for identification? In fact, the VIN number of your car can actually reveal to you the history of your vehicle. How can this be so? With a VIN number, you can find out who owned you are car in the past, whether or not the vehicle has been in any accidents and more. In fact, the VIN number is often used from car dealers that travel from home to automobile auctions to determine whether or not a vehicle is worth bidding on before they travel to the auction and place their bids.

Much like a strand of deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA), the VIN number of your vehicle is an identification number like no other—the VIN number of your vehicle relates solely to the vehicle you have purchased or you plan on purchasing and no other vehicle in the world has the same VIN number as the one your car possesses. In fact, there is even a decoding process when it comes to VIN numbers—a VIN number can be decoded by breaking down the various combinations of letters and numbers—all which have a significant meaning. For example, one number will denote the country that the car was built in, another number will denote the manufacturer, and certain numbers even denote the cars features.

Conversely, the VIN number can also provide you with information about odometer readings; whether or not the car has ever been stolen; if the car has experienced flood damage; and whether or not there have been recalls on parts associated with the vehicle. You can also find out if there is or ever was a lien on the car’s title, if it had ever been repossessed, and if it suffered major damage in the past. So, what does all this information mean to you? Basically, consider it fuel for a positive purchase when you are buying a car—the more you know about the vehicle, the better decision you will be able to make when buying it. Conversely, if you already own the vehicle, knowing the car’s history is vital in giving the car the proper maintenance it needs. Also, you may be able to foresee problems in the future that originate from past issues with the vehicle.

In the end, you should visit a website that allows you to check on the VIN number of any vehicle. In fact, some sites let you run a free VIN number check so that you can test out there services. Using your preferred search engine, you can easily locate a VIN Number checking website.

Finly Owner
26th October 2010, 01:39 AM
nice one chops

Spoons
26th October 2010, 07:55 AM
Not my own work, blatantly plagiarised from another forum and appears to relate to bikes but good info nonetheless.

The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) is composed of 17 characters. The standard was originally defined in ISO Standard 3779 in February of 1977. Then it was revised in 1983. The ISO VIN is designed to identify motor vehicles of all kinds: cars, trucks, busses, motorcycles etc.

The Vehicle Identification Number (VIN) contains three major sections:

* WMI - World Manufacturer Identifier (1,2,3 characters in VIN structure) If the manufacturer builds less than 500 vehicles per year than the third digit is "9". The WMI is described in detail in ISO 3780.
* VDS - Vehicle Description Section. It contains 6 characters (4th to 9th positions in VIN) and defines vehicle attributes specified by manufacturer.
* VIS - Vehicle Identifier Section. The last 8 characters of VIN define Year, manufacturer plant and serial (sequential) number of the vehicle.

The last four characters shall be numeric. The 10th position of the Vehicle Identification Number is a YEAR CODE.

ISO recommends that in VIN code capital letters A to Z and numbers 1 to 0 may be used, excluding I,O and Q in order to avoid mistakes of misread. No signs and spaces are allowed in Vehicle Identification Number code.
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Recap with examples:

Digits 1,2,3 are World, Manufacturer, Identifier
Digits 4,5,6,7,8 are Vehicle descriptor Section -- *Somewhat variable based on manufacturer.
Digit 9 is the check digit
Digit 10 is the Year code
Digit 11 is the Factory code
Digits 12,13,14,15,16,17 are the Vehicle Identification Sequence


Let's see how this splits:



First digit - Country code
U.S.A.(1 or 4), Canada (2), Mexico (3), Japan (J), Korea (K), England (S), Germany (W), Italy (Z)

Second digit - Manufacturer
Audi (A), BMW (B), Buick (4), Cadillac (6), Chevrolet (1), Chrysler (C), Dodge (B), Ford (F), GM Canada (7), General Motors (G), Honda (H), Jaguar (A), Lincoln (L), Mercedes Benz (D), Mercury (M), Nissan (N), Oldsmobile (3), Pontiac (2 or 5), Plymouth (P), Saturn (8 ), Toyota (T), Volvo (V), Suzuki (S), Kawasaki (K).

Third digit - Identifier
Motorcycle (1 or A) Kawasaki and Suzuki seem to follow this anyway

Fourth digit - Vehicle category
Data here is Suzuki specific, haven't found info for other brands.
Scooter (C), Business model or commuter (B), Single cylinder sport/street (N), Multiple cylinder sport/street (G), Family (F), Off road (S), V-Type engine, street, V2/V4/V6/8,... (V), Square Four (H)

Fifth digit - Engine Displacement
Data here is Suzuki specific, haven't found info for other brands.
A=49cc and less
B=50-69cc
C=70-79cc
D=80-89cc
E=90-99cc
F=100-124cc
G=125-149cc
H=150-199cc
J=200-249cc
K=250-399cc
M=400-499cc
N=500-599cc
P=600-699cc
R=700-749cc
S=750-849cc
T=850-999cc
U=1000-1099cc
V=1100-1199cc
W=1200-1299cc
Y=1400-1499cc
Z=1500 & up

Sixth digit - Engine Type
Data here is Suzuki specific, haven't found info for other brands.
1=2 stroke single
2=2 stroke twin
3=2 stroke triple or four
4=4 stroke single
5=4 stroke twin
6=?
7=4 stroke four

Seventh digit
Data here is Suzuki specific, haven't found info for other brands.
Design sequence or model version first version uses 1 then second version uses 2 etc... the tenth version would then be identified by the letter A then B etc..

Eigth digit
Data here is Suzuki specific, haven't found info for other brands.
First version uses 1 then second version uses 2 etc... the tenth version would then be identified by the letter A then B etc...

Ninth digit - Check digit
The ninth vehicle identification number digit is a VIN accuracy check digit, verifying the previous VIN numbers. This is how the check digit works


STEP 1
Assign to each number in the VIN its actual mathematical value and assign to each letter the value specified for it in the following chart:
ASSIGNED VALUES:
A=1 G=7 P=7 X=7
B=2 H=8 R=9 Y=8
C=3 J=1 S=2 Z=9
D=4 K=2 T=3
E=5 M=3 U=4
F=6 N=4 V=5


STEP 2
Multiply the assigned value for each character in the VIN by the position weight factor specified in the following chart:
VIN POSITION AND WEIGHT FACTOR:
1st = 8 10th = 9
2nd = 7 11th = 8
3rd = 6 12th = 7
4th = 5 13th = 6
5th = 4 14th = 5
6th = 3 15th = 4
7th = 2 16th = 3
8th = 10 17th = 2
9th = check digit

STEP 3
Add the products from steps 1 and 2 and divide the total by 11.

STEP 4
The numerical remainder is the check digit which would appear in the 9th position in the VIN. If the remainder is 10, then the letter "X" is used for the check digit.


Tenth digit - Year Code
80(A), 81(B), 82(C), 83(D), 84(E),
85(F), 86(G), 87(H), 88(J), 89(K),
90(L), 91(M), 92(N), 93(P), 94(R),
95(S), 96(T), 97(V), 98(W), 99(X),
00(Y), 01(1), 02(2), 03(3), 04(4),
05(5), 06(6), 07(7), 08(8 ), 09(9) ( Don't know what happens after that )

Eleventh digit - Factory Code
Manufacturer code for what plant it was built in

Twelfth to Seventeenth digits - Serial Number

Every time I pit my VIN number in a decoder it comes up invalid????

AB
26th October 2010, 08:52 AM
Good read guys, so there is a method to the madness then...lol

patch697
26th October 2010, 10:01 AM
This is a very handy bit of info to add to the ever growing collective.............Top work guys.

NIZZBITS
26th October 2010, 10:23 PM
VIN numbers are great great things. Nissan ones used to be so so easy to read. Sadly since they started building cars in 29 million different plants/countries it is not quite as simple.
SOme things remain the same and I love those things. Makes a poor guy trying to work out parts a happy man. :)

I might see if I can find some stuff and shoot it to Andy to put up in a sticky or something regarding what the letters mean for Patrols seeing it seems to be of interest to some members.

Finly Owner
26th October 2010, 11:38 PM
Yeah, even before VIN it was compliance plate and chasis nos. These often told you what each vehicle was fitted with.

The old myth of 302/351 in fords could be decided if you new the designated no.s .

Hemi motors can tell you what they were design for by the letters before the digits.

Holden could tell you what plant, model, motor, if it was HP etc all from the plate.

Chops
27th October 2010, 03:09 PM
I think I created a monster.

AB
27th October 2010, 03:20 PM
Here we go peoples, hopefully this can shed some light on the subject!

Thanks to a member here for finding it for us.

AB
11th November 2010, 11:13 AM
A member has kindly giving us the breakdown of the meaning of GU VIN listings.

For Australia and New Zealand
JN1 T C S Y61 A 0 XXXXXX Vehicle serial number

First three digits JN1: Japan produced vehicle

4th digit Body type T: Station Wagon

5Th digit Engine type C: TD42Ti E: ZD30DDTi F: TB48DE

6th digit Chassis type S: Long wheelbase (4WD)

7th to 9th digit Model Y61

10th digit Country A: Australia and New Zealand

11th digit 0: Stopgap (no meaning)

12th to 17th digit XXXXXX Vehicle serial number

beansathome
12th November 2010, 03:46 PM
this is a great threed i didnt relise there was so much to a vin

sercan7878
5th July 2021, 05:13 PM
hello i'm new to the forum
I have a 1984 Nissan patrol. The chassis number is 12 digits. it wants 17 digits in query pages. I am writing you the chassis number: PNV35P216978
can you help me. Do I have to write something at the beginning or the end?

PeeBee
5th July 2021, 08:05 PM
hello i'm new to the forum
I have a 1984 Nissan patrol. The chassis number is 12 digits. it wants 17 digits in query pages. I am writing you the chassis number: PNV35P216978
can you help me. Do I have to write something at the beginning or the end?

You may need to add the actual model number, like Y60 or Y61 - whatever it is for your vehicle, if it isnt the PNV prefix.

NissanGQ4.2
7th July 2021, 07:32 PM
hello i'm new to the forum
I have a 1984 Nissan patrol. The chassis number is 12 digits. it wants 17 digits in query pages. I am writing you the chassis number: PNV35P216978
can you help me. Do I have to write something at the beginning or the end?

Can you take a photo and post it here of the plate

MB
7th July 2021, 09:29 PM
Personally had quite a few issues trying to Vic-Roadies road register our MQ/GQ/GM Hybrid Japanese ‘Safari’ Firetruck others had previously imported [emoji51]
Toooooo fewer digits for (VIN) Vehicle Identification Numbers IIRC alarmed the government system of originally bypassing $$$$$$$duties owed and incorrect/unknown compliance checks maybe?


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