Towball recovery, anyone?

[TheFlyingBadger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHF8piaxDA

:furious:

all complaints to GM Holden....

[TimE]

Yep, was abusing the TV last night when I saw it.

At the 19 second mark we see the "snatch" start and pan up to see the chain attached to the tow ball. Lets hope the script writer has to attend the next Coroners enquiry into a towball death.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHF8piaxDA

[Bloodyaussie]

Among many errors and work safety practices ???
It beggers beleif .

[the ferret]

I'm disgusted, that is a perfect demonstration of what NOT to do, nothing should ever be att. to a towball but a trailer!!
People new to 4 wheel drives would see that and not think twice about the safety risks.
So someone please tell me, in the event of a death or injury using that ute and the towball to recover something, WHO would you SUE??
Cheers, the ferret.

[Bloodyaussie]

I just sent them an email telling them of there oversight!!!

[Winnie]

And snatching with a chain to boot

Tappa tappa

[the ferret]

I just sent them an email telling them of there oversight!!!

I hope you also sent them a copy of the Coroners report regarding the most recent deaths by towball?
Cheers, the ferret.

[macca]

That is beyond belief

[taslucas]

They are people that build 4wds and also know nothing about 4wds.....




Tap, crackle, pop

[macca]

They are people that build 4wds and also know nothing about 4wds.....

No wonder those utes aint what they used to be!!!!!!

[Winnie]

To be fair the people who designed/built the ute are not the people who made the ad

Tappa tappa

[macca]

Like ads with utes running around a worksite towing a backhoe, falling over cliffs, filling the back full of coconuts or screaming through salt water. The list goes on and yeah take it with a pinch of salt as its never going to be real.
This shows a total lack of knowledge by the arts department, but who signed off on it?
A positive could be a fuss made over it, A Current Affair or whoever bring it to everyones attention. Then the safety message gets spread the ad pulled and Colarado all over the media. Win Win all round.

[taslucas]

Yeah, your right. Falling off a cliff etc is quite obvious to the viewer that it's just a bit of a laugh but towing heavy loads from a towball makes people think that's what it's there for..... Chances are slim that your gonna roll your Ute off a cliff because you saw it on tv lol BUT chances are high that people will find themselves on a work site with a big load to pull and a towball on their Colorado and the add will spring to mind.

Tap, crackle, pop

[the ferret]

I reckon the Colorado would burn the clutch out just dragging the chain!!, pretend 4 wheel drive LOL
Cheers, the ferret.

[MudRunnerTD]

Speechless.


:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

[AB]

Shame on you Holden....

I just posted an indepth comment on the Youtube video but it said pending approval after I pressed send....I doubt they will publish it but I'm sure this video will be removed....Well, I hope!

Can't believe they did that!

[Winnie]

hopefully this will raise some publicity to the issue!

Tappa tappa

[gbab01]

Hi. Thanks guys for confirming for me what I thought I saw! I have always been aware of the issue with tow ball recoveries thanks to a 4x4 introduction by someone years ago who passed on the dangers of that practice to me. This forum has certainly made it foremost in my mind if and when I need to snatch again. I saw the ad out the corner of my eye and had been waiting to see it again to confirm what I thought I saw. Very concerning.

[the ferret]

For a start, If you drove anything on a building site at that speed you would be shown the door.
Cheers, the ferret.

[NissanGQ4.2]

I just left this comment on the youtube video, I wonder if it gets approved *L*

This ad should be taken off air, no one should ever attach anything 2 the tow ball for snatching.

WARNING: USING A SNATCH STRAP ON ANY TOW BALL CAN KILL PEOPLE!!!

Who ever signed off on this ad to be aired is a bloody moron.

[Rip'n'Shred]

I also left a comment. See what happens. Stupidity.

[the ferret]

I also gave them a tongue lashing, I wonder if they will take me up on the Coroners reports, and I demanded it be removed forthwith.
But I doubt if it would even enter the thick heads of those responsible.
What needs to happen is a reporting to TV classification tribunal.
Cheers, the ferret

[scotty83]

Saw this too. Could not believe it. Thought about writing to Holden myself and posting it here as well but was beaten to it. Good to see it is not just me appalled at this ad. Let's try to get it withdrawn

[the ferret]

Just posted this on the Gubbermint website.
Hi I am a member of various 4x4 forums and I have come across this video depicting a towball recovery, this is a well known death trap and I demand that something is done to remove it from the media.
I can furnish you with Coroners findings on the deaths caused by towball recoveries.
This advertisment should not have been aired in my opinion and I would like you to investigate, after you have banned it.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHF8piaxDA

Yours, Ferret Tools WA
Members can send their comments to safety@commerce.wa.gov.au

[TimE]

I just posted this, don't expect to see it published!

What idiot thought it was a good idea to snatch using a chain attached to a towball. I suggest you look up the Coroner reports on deaths caused bu this very practice, then consider your duty of care to the public, then withdraw this add from TV and Youtube.

If you have any scruples you might then put out a public apology for promoting practices that can and have caused death.

[the ferret]

I think it would be a good idea if as many as possible could could post a comment here, try and keep it respectable tho, the Gubbermint are not to blame as far as I see it, they are just well behind the 8 ball, as can be expected.
Here's the link again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHHF8piaxDA
And this is where you send it safety@commerce.wa.gov.au
Cheers, the ferret.

PS, I can't see me getting a new Colorado for free after this!!

[MudRunnerTD]

I have just watched it again and it is simply to worst thing I have ever seen in a Tv ad.

Not only is the chain around the tow ball but the other end is wrapped around the bumper of the bogged truck......

[Finly Owner]

The only saving grace is a heavy chain will fall quickly. But, I too was dismayed at this and the one where the car goes in the lake and is recovered by snatch over tow ball by tow truck.

Tim

[megatexture]

i too have commented on it giving a mouth full and wouldn’t expect our comments to be added and i also reported it to youtube to put it up for review if everyone can do that they will have to consider what’s wrong with the vid they give you a few options to report it under can’t remember what they are but i think i selected the last one and i also disliked the vid its currently got more dislikes then likes.

edit: i flagged it under "harmful dangerous acts" then selected other dangerous acts

[AB]

edit: i flagged it under "harmful dangerous acts" then selected other dangerous acts

I did that too actually...

Also noticed the dislike bar is growing fast on that Youtube video tonight....lol

[Punderhead]

Far out. With stupidity like that it's no wonder 4wds are becoming known as 'dangerous'

I wrote to Holden, requesting that the add be removed, and I also lodged a complaint with the Advertising Standards Bureau. http://www.adstandards.com.au/

hope that holden gets slammed over this!

Cheers!

[taslucas]

The only saving grace is a heavy chain will fall quickly. But, I too was dismayed at this and the one where the car goes in the lake and is recovered by snatch over tow ball by tow truck.

Tim

The airborne towball doesnt fall to the ground quickly though.:(

[macca]

Mentioned this at last nights club meeting, sent the youtube link when I got home.
Got this response thismorning from one of our members.

Thanks for sending the link to the ad. It’s a shocker alright. I had a look at the ACMA website and it is not the right place to lodge a complaint. The correct place is http://www.adstandards.com.au/
Click the Lodge a complaint box. You then get asked 6 questions and if you respond correctly get a form to fill online.

The other place to flag this is to media watch. http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/contactus.htm

And of course the 4wd associations. http://www.4wdnsw-act.asn.au/contact.php NSW
http://www.anfwdc.asn.au/contact.php (National)

[bazzad]

Unbloodybelievable
I have just had my say on the http://www.adstandards.com.au/ website. For question 6 I ticked that the add concerns children. I believe it does because they are potentialy in the firing line straped in an elevated back seat.
Am also going to email Holden directly. I have done this in the past and have always gotten a response.
Lets hope we can get this removed.
bazzad

[growler2058]

Spoken like a man returning to bearded bliss!
I agree with yuo Plassy i have seen a chain slingshot but it was attached to two BIG ARSED tractors, it went off like a rocket, however it stayed very low. The issue with the ad it is putting out there to use a towball as a recovery point, which we all know is just not on

[the ferret]

You do have a point there Plassy, however a tow ball is made for a trailer or caravan etc, demonstrating that a towball should be used at all for recovery I think is wrong.
Having been in heavy earthmoving for almost 50 years, I have seen chains snap under shock loads and seen shackles and hooks go flying.
The chain in itself is not that bigger danger altho I would not like to be anwhere near one when it snaps.
By demonstrating that you could pull a bogged 3.5 ton trailer with the towball as a recovery point is sending the wrong message, many would think that a chain or snatch strap is safe, just from watching the add.
But not everyone has the common sense when hooking up a chain or strap, and this is why people die.
Your point is truly noted Plassy, thankyou for that.
Cheers, the ferret.

[bazzad]

Plasnart,
Yes chains stretch. You may not see it but they do. I have a dogmans ticket and I can tell you I have seen the results of snapped chains in industry. Nobody can predict where they go or how far. I have seen shackles hitting roofs of workshops and i have also seen overhead gantry cranes with the multible rope hooks turned inside out from broken chains after the load has dropped.
It may not look like much on a chain but the ball is not connected to the chain so it will fly. Once it breaks the implement used to break it (strap,chain,rope or wire) does not matter, it is the amount of force applied just before it breaks that sends it flying.

[TimE]

Chains used for recovery.

Here are a some vidiots I found on Youtube. The first one is not very clear but becomes interesting at the 53 second mark, the second one becomes interesting at the 9 second mark, the third one gets interesting around 4:01


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXwrOKRK1k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ed2HviJDE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845cxykfDns

[taslucas]

Cains used for recovery.

Here are a some vidiots I found on Youtube. The first one is not very clear but becomes interesting at the 53 second mark, the second one becomes interesting at the 9 second mark, the third one gets interesting around 4:01


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKXwrOKRK1k


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2ed2HviJDE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=845cxykfDns

That last one illustrates exactly what can happen. Thanks for posting tim.

Tap, crackle, pop

[growler2058]

Exactly why theyre called drag chains and not snatch chains.

[taslucas]

Exactly why theyre called drag chains and not snatch chains.

I think snatch chains are found more in S & M
Lmao!!!

Tap, crackle, pop

[mudski]

I posted this in the 4x4 safety section as soon as I saw it, but seeing theres another thread I'll chuck it here too.
First we'll give her a rev...

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/

From slack to tight, yep them's snatchin'.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/

Looks like the chain is around the towball to me...I do hope I'm wrong on this one.

http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/

Well atleast they have their hard hats and safety vests on just incase the chain lets go or the towball snaps off. I'd love to see how a hard hat stands up against a flying towball.
http://www.nissanpatrol.com.au/forums/


I made a comment on the YT ad but I don't think it will get approved to be posted. No obscenities written too by me. Plus I flagged the add as inappropriate. Reason? Harmful Dangerous Acts > Suicide or Self Injury. Should be Sucide AND self Injury.

[megatexture]

better email the video links to holden haha and i see no comments have been aproved as of yet .

[Finly Owner]

I have contacted Today/Tonight, now wait and see if they are interested. Might need a few people to do a safe recovery on film.



Tim

[DX grunt]

I have contacted Today/Tonight, now wait and see if they are interested. Might need a few people to do a safe recovery on film.

Tim

It'll cost you a carton if we see ya mug on TV. lol ;)

[megatexture]

I have contacted Today/Tonight, now wait and see if they are interested. Might need a few people to do a safe recovery on film.

Tim

i know a mate that has a toyota im sure he wont mind

[Winnie]

Just saw this ad again on channel 7

Tappa tappa

[growler2058]

Just saw this ad again on channel 7

Tappa tappa

Yup 7 had it on here yesterday. Good response from Holden LIARS!!!!!!!!!

[Bloodyaussie]

Holden have emailed me today and they had this to say............
Dear Jonathan,

We refer to your recent email regarding the Colorado advertising campaign.

We would like to take this opportunity to thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention.

Holden values customer comments and feedback and appreciates the time you have taken to write to us. While we devote considerable resources prior to the release of any advertisement or marketing campaign, we understand that occasionally there will be areas that are open to constructive comments.

In response to feedback, the advertisement in question was modified immediately by Holden prior to national syndication, however, some regional and pay-tv stations may not have received these changes in time. As a result the original version of the as may have screened in some instances over the weekend. We are currently working with media outlets to ensure all original versions of the advertisement are removed and replaced with the rectified advert.

We are currently working with the national 4WD motoring body (4WD Australia) with the intention of ensuring that we depict a safe recovery of a stranded vehicle in any further advertisement.

Please be assured that Holden places a great deal of emphasis on the views and opinions held by our customers. We are proud of our company's strong reputation within the Australian community and safety remains our highest priority in all that we do.

Please understand that our intentions are not meant to offend or make light of any safety issue and we wish to offer our sincere apologies.


Regards,
Kimberley Davies
Holden Customer Assistance Centre

[oncedisturbed]

That is a standard template they have been using, there is a large thread on it over at 4x4 earth, the add still hasn't been ammended

[97_gq_lwb]

Come on does anyone honestly believe a tow ball would break before the holden.
This line made me laugh.
Holden values customer comments and feedback.
If that was the case they would stop selling the crud .

[growler2058]

Come on does anyone honestly believe a tow ball would break before the holden.
This line made me laugh.
Holden values customer comments and feedback.
If that was the case they would stop selling the crud .

Spoken like a true fraud lover hahahahahhahahahahah

[97_gq_lwb]

lol nah you can keep them as well nissan lover here.
Unless it is a ford maverick .

[1nertia]

Come on does anyone honestly believe a tow ball would break before the holden.
This line made me laugh.
Holden values customer comments and feedback.
If that was the case they would stop selling the crud .

What they didn't show you in the ad, was them changing the oil and sump seals on it 6 times.

On the plus side, it'll never rust!

[Finly Owner]

The 4WD association of Australia has in writing confirmation from Holden that as have been modified and should be aired by all stations soon! The association is also taking up the ad with ultra tune.



Tim

[megatexture]

the links that were posted on page one dont work anymore saying the vid has been removed by the user found this one and it has no tow ball anymore ! haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dhb57vur0

[MudRunnerTD]

the links that were posted on page one dont work anymore saying the vid has been removed by the user found this one and it has no tow ball anymore ! haha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dhb57vur0

That, Gentlemen! is a great result!

[AB]

Well done.....Still hooks it up to a crappy SHS section of the other truck but a win in my books...lol

[Sir Roofy]

It is a great result they changed it over going threw the water and backing up to the truck
well done

[macca]

The 4WD association of Australia has in writing confirmation from Holden that as have been modified and should be aired by all stations soon! The association is also taking up the ad with ultra tune.Tim

My son in law mentioned this, he came on a trip with us and we had a quick safety drill about snatching. He must have been listening!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqlOXpRsHso&feature=related

[growler2058]

My son in law mentioned this, he came on a trip with us and we had a quick safety drill about snatching. He must have been listening!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqlOXpRsHso&feature=related

Now THATS a good result

[Winnie]

Like the new and improved version. Especially where it says "rated shackle and chain used for safe recovery"

[TimE]

Like the new and improved version. Especially where it says "rated shackle and chain used for safe recovery"

At the 29 second mark we get the message about safe recovery, and a "dubbed" in shackle. As for the recovery being safe................


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3dhb57vur0

[macca]

Now THATS a good result

Yes THATS for sure.

The Holden ad is still a cracker though, all action and getting the message across.
Its not a shopping trolley.
Macca

[taslucas]

I just saw the ad tonight. It is still the original here (channel GO! Tasmania)

[Brendan56]

Haha, still snatching with a chain.. but a mild improvement.

[taslucas]

I just saw the ad tonight. It is still the original here (channel GO! Tasmania)

They are now showing the ammended ad on this channel.

Good job guys. Great to see people-power at work.:icon_victory:

[koxxwasp]

Must be embarrassing it has been removed.

[Morton]

I was very happy to see the change in the add, it is a total win for commensense & safety, a chain doesnt have the stored energy of a rated snatch strap, it is more likely to sheer the towball in this instance & from what I have seen previously the chain will drop to the ground due to weight alone & recoil is very minimal, it is the theory that is the issue, by watching this from a reputable company (chokes) every know nothing out there will do the same, I still think the add is flawed but it is better

[the ferret]

Awesome, the power of the Forum.
At the start, there is a towball, then it's gone lol. good bit of "photo shop"
Cheers, the ferret.

[teno45]

Just noticed the new ad! Nice bright green shackle looking thing. Good on holden!

[MudRunnerTD]

Well a Big Congratulations to all members of this forum getting this add taken off the air and reviewed by Holden.

I must also congratulate GMH for their swift action on this and how seriously they took our intervention.

To that end they not only re-shot a section of the add in question but they engaged Simon from 4WDTV to shoot some owners DVDs and i think they will go in an Owners pack when ever a new purchase is made

Check this out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgEC8RbKZmw&feature=player_embedded

Still misses a little on the description of why the Winch Blankets and also clear instructions to NOT use rapid aggressive pulling like a Snatch. Maybe a reference to the Difference betwen a Snatch recovery and a Chain recovery should have been noted as a voice over during the moments of no script.

Very Very good start though.

Well Done Holden

[threedogs]

We do have a voice, when we stick together, here's a piture of a towball .
this is all that was available, cast iron body, mild steel coach bolts.
amazed we were even born at all. I use this at show and tells

[megatexture]

the vid is missing a few vital tips but its a start and if you give some to much info at once it will all go over there head.